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Re: absurd that you can line up people by ethnicity and/or politics

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Mon, 15 Jul 13 8:08 PM | 37 view(s)
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It was the Huffington Post's headline immediately after the verdict.

They were relying on the fact that the standard of proven guilt is "beyond a reasonable doubt". So an acquittal does not on its own assert a person's innocence.

This may be true. But the presumption of innocence also never leaves the defendant unless proven guilty. Hence people are obliged to use words like "alleged assailant" when describing a person who has been arrested for a crime. Once in court, they become the defendant. And if found not guilty, they are entitled to the protections the law provides.

So asserting z as being "not innocent" is contrary to the law's presumption. A person is indeed presumed innocent if found not guilty.

The presumption of innocence is "the golden thread" of Anglo-Saxon law.

HP chose to ignore this principle and is still trying to inflame tensions on its site by pretending there has been some miscarriage of justice.

It's a garden-variety tragedy. Not a criminal situation.




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Re: absurd that you can line up people by ethnicity and/or politics
By: Down And Out Man
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Mon, 15 Jul 13 7:49 PM
Msg. 14075 of 54959

eg the headline which read "not guilty but not innocent".

Wow, whose headline was that? I hope it was an opinion editorial and not a news article.

I admit to not paying a whole lot of attention to this case, so don't have strong opinions. But what facts I do know, it certainly sounds like Z "stupidly", but legally followed T to see what he was up to. And then got jumped and beaten by T, leading to the tragic results. And the necessary acquittal based on Florida law.

What disturbs me, and maybe it won't come to pass, is the possible second trial on Federal civil rights charges. It's just real hard to spin that any way to avoid the fact that it's "legalized" double jeopardy. The people had their day in court and didn't win. Let the man go try to put his life back together. I doubt he'll be very successful at that.

D&O


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