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13652 Re: Majority Views NSA Phone Tracking as Acceptable Anti-terror Tactic
   Hi Dig... well thanks..:) All death from sudden cancer to sudden... 		faul   ALEA   11 Jun 2013
 7:20 PM
13651 Re: Majority Views NSA Phone Tracking as Acceptable Anti-terror Tactic
   "I think the poll would give different results with a fuller picture."... 		joe-taylor   ALEA   11 Jun 2013
 7:15 PM
13650 Re: Majority Views NSA Phone Tracking as Acceptable Anti-terror Tactic
   The statistic I would like to see, but of course can't, would be the i... 		Down And Out Man   ALEA   11 Jun 2013
 7:13 PM

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Re: Majority Views NSA Phone Tracking as Acceptable Anti-terror Tactic

By: DigSpace in ALEA
Tue, 11 Jun 13 6:48 PM
Msg. 13649 of 54959
(This msg. is a reply to 13641 by faul)
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doma, that is a gorgeous line:

"You are 2000 times more likely to kill yourself
than be killed by a terrorist attack..."

but somewhere, when I was rather young I recall it said or somebody saying 'suicide is the ultimate expression of individual liberty (or freedom)' or something like that. Crap, it might be His Highness, Kurt Vonnegut, he certainly dwelled on suicide, and was obviously personally affected by it ... but I digress. Returning to digression, I googled/goggled "suicide is the ultimate expression of individual liberty" and sure enough found the exact quote on a gun blog:

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31300&start=220


So you are comparing acts of freedom (we put folks in jails on suicide watch, we take even that from them) to acts of the complete opposite, terrorism, where the choice of life or its lack is foisted upon folks unwillingly.

Some see surveillance as an acceptable evil in order to protect themselves from others making a life choice for them.

Finally, I think what is missed in this, and what might wake people up, is we are not talking phone calls ... all activity, all credit/debit card use, all bank use, all internet surfing behavior, everywhere you have every been (to within a couple of meters) if you carry a smartphone. This collection of data, this Untrusted Matrix is untrustable, and yet it appears trusted by the majority. It is not just the content of your communications, but who you communicate to. The junkie you might be trying to help out, the uncle you had no idea carried national secrets or trafficked in child porn (I just elevated this post to snoop software "national secrets" "child porn" and earlier with "individual liberty"). Just to make sure my content gets the attention it deserves here it comes ..... ' bomb '. Were I to mention a Wave product, Embassy, so close to the previous entry ... oh my, dig a hole atomic bob!

Purchasing habits.
Surfing habits.
Personal relationships.
Personal movements.
Voice and digital content.
Economic activity.
Your genome.

I think the poll would give different results with a fuller picture.