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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/06/07/facebook-google-deny-giving-govt-broad-access-to-data/

so folks get that the providers' denials require parsing.

but we haven't forgotten all of those quotes about privacy.

"I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. But if you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines, including Google, do retain this information for some time. And it’s important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that that information could be made available to the authorities." - Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google

Zuckerberg "doesn't believe in it [privacy]."

http://www.wired.com/business/2010/04/report-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-doesnt-believe-in-privacy/

and this, also from Zuckerberg: "A lot of companies would be trapped by the conventions and their legacies of what they've built, doing a privacy change - doing a privacy change for 350 million users is not the kind of thing that a lot of companies would do. But we viewed that as a really important thing, to always keep a beginner's mind and what would we do if we were starting the company now and we decided that these would be the social norms now and we just went for it."

Teehee. It was funny when your company wasn't at stake.

See who's laughing now.




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Re: US surveillance state
By: Cactus Flower
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Sat, 08 Jun 13 6:21 PM
Msg. 13602 of 54959

Now the UK government is bothered by the US spying on British people.

It just isn't enough to carve out an exception for US citizens. Why would the UK permit US snooping assets access to the UK marketplace? Why would any country?

Clearly the US corporate internet providers are panicking. Anyone can see where this goes.

Plausible denials about "direct" access will soon come unstuck.

Users around the world are bound to avoid using US internet tools.

The providers are all going to have to move to Switzerland.

Pretty damaging governmentcentric idea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/10107059/British-Intelligence-watchdog-flies-to-Washington-to-demand-answers-on-snooping-scandal.html

"MPs from Britain’s intelligence watchdog will to fly to Washington next week to seek guarantees that US spies are not snooping on Britons’ emails. ....

The Guardian newspaper claimed that it had obtained documents that show that GCHQ, based in Cheltenham, has had access to the system since at least June 2010, and generated 197 intelligence reports from it last year.

It raises the prospect that the intelligence agency is able to circumvent UK restrictions on accessing people’s communications by obtaining the same information via the US authorities.

One senior MP said the news suggested the British Government was trying to introduce the Data Communications Bill – dubbed the “snoopers charter” and which was which was vetoed from last month’s Queen Speech after Liberal Democrat objections – “by the back door”."


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