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12923 Re: Monday ramblings--When I'm sixty four!
   the second slanderous post in a week :?
DigSpace   ALEA   19 Mar 2013
12:02 AM
12921 Re: Monday ramblings--When I'm sixty four!
   hi bb, i don't think jt is on a high horse. he writes and shares hi...
Cactus Flower   ALEA   18 Mar 2013
10:58 PM

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Re: Monday ramblings--When I'm sixty four!

By: bridgebuilder in ALEA
Mon, 18 Mar 13 10:44 PM
Msg. 12920 of 54959
(This msg. is a reply to 12916 by joe-taylor)
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"We all remember John and how he died after trusting the city of New York too much as he was shot to death outside of his apartment building in the city."

There are so many things to say about your ignorant commentary of NYC and these events.

The first is to point out the fact that Chapman was not a New Yorker in the least but a born again christian from texas, georgia and chicago who flew to NYC for the sole purpose of killing lennon.

The second is a question. if a person unaffiliated with religion walks into a church and shoots someone, would you say that person died after they trusted the church too much?

The third is another question. Why did you mischaracterize the events? Certainly a god fearing man like yourself wouldn't intentionally slander an innocent group of people in order to shine the light away from a religious man's homicidal nature. That only leaves that you were ignorant of the facts...which is a dangerous thing to be for someone who likes to give their opinion so much.

Please note in bold below how Lennon made it on to Chapmans hit list. Please descend from the high horse.

bb


WIKI:
Chapman was born in Fort Worth, Texas. His father, David Curtis Chapman, was a staff sergeant in the U.S. Air Force, and his mother, Kathryn Elizabeth (née Pease), was a nurse. His younger sister, Susan, was born seven years later. Chapman stated that as a boy, he lived in fear of his father, who he said was physically abusive towards his mother and unloving towards him. Chapman began to fantasize about having king-like power over a group of imaginary "little people" who lived in the walls of his bedroom. Chapman attended Columbia High School in Decatur, Georgia. By the time he was fourteen, Chapman was using drugs, skipping classes, and he once ran away from home to live on the streets for two weeks. He said he was bullied at school because he was not a good athlete.[4]

In 1971, Chapman became a born again Christian, and distributed Biblical tracts. He'd grown up idolizing Lennon, but turned on him after becoming born-again; like many born-again Christians, he was angered at Lennon's claim that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus." He met his first girlfriend, another Christian named Jessica Blankenship. He began work as a YMCA summer camp counselor; he was very popular with the children, who nicknamed him "Nemo". He won an award for Outstanding Counselor and was made assistant director.[4] Those who knew him in the caretaking professions unanimously called him an outstanding worker.[5] A friend recommended The Catcher in the Rye to Chapman, and the story eventually took on great personal significance for him, to the extent that he reportedly wished to model his life after its protagonist, Holden Caulfield.[4] After graduating from Columbia High School, Chapman moved for a time to Chicago and played guitar in churches and Christian nightspots while his friend did impersonations. He worked successfully for World Vision with Vietnamese refugees at a resettlement camp at Fort Chaffee in Arkansas, after a brief visit to Lebanon for the same work. He was named an area coordinator and a key aide to the program director, David Moore, who later said Chapman cared deeply for the children and worked hard. Chapman accompanied Moore to meetings with government officials, and President Gerald Ford shook his hand.[5]

Chapman joined his girlfriend, Jessica Blankenship, as a student at Covenant College, an evangelical Presbyterian liberal arts college in Lookout Mountain, Georgia. However, Chapman fell behind in his studies and became obsessed with guilt over having an affair.[6][7] He started having suicidal thoughts and began to feel like a failure. He dropped out of Covenant College, and his girlfriend broke off their relationship soon after. He returned to work at the resettlement camp, but left after an argument. Chapman worked as a security guard, eventually taking a week-long course to qualify as an armed guard. He again attempted college but dropped out. He went to Hawaii and then began contemplating suicide.[6] In 1977, Chapman attempted suicide by carbon monoxide asphyxiation. He connected a hose to his car's exhaust pipe, but the hose melted and the attempt failed. A psychiatrist admitted him to Castle Memorial Hospital for clinical depression. Upon his release, he began working at the hospital.[8] His parents began divorce proceedings, and his mother joined Chapman in Hawaii.[7]

In 1978, Chapman went on a six-week trip around the world, inspired partly by the film Around the World in Eighty Days, visiting such places as Tokyo, Seoul, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, Delhi, Beirut, Geneva, London, Paris, and Dublin. He began a relationship with his travel agent, a Japanese-American woman named Gloria Abe. They married on June 2, 1979. Chapman went to work at Castle Memorial Hospital as a printer, working alone rather than with staff and patients. He was fired by the Castle Memorial Hospital, rehired, then got into a shouting match with a nurse and quit. He took a job as a night security guard and began drinking heavily.[8] Chapman developed a series of obsessions, including artwork, The Catcher in the Rye, music, and John Lennon. He also started talking with the imaginary 'little people' again. In September 1980, he wrote a letter to a friend, Lynda Irish, in which he stated, "I'm going nuts." He signed the letter, "The Catcher in the Rye".[9]

[edit] The plan to murder John LennonThree months prior to the murder, Chapman started planning to kill Lennon while in Hawaii. He claimed he chose Lennon after seeing him on the cover of The Beatles' album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. He also said that he had a further list of people in mind, including Johnny Carson, Elizabeth Taylor, George C. Scott, and Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, but that John Lennon seemed to be the easiest to find. He separately claimed that he was particularly infatuated by Lennon. Chapman's planning has been described as 'muddled'.[10] Chapman went to New York in October 1980, intending to kill Lennon.[9]

After being inspired by the film Ordinary People, Chapman returned to Hawaii, telling his wife he had been obsessed with killing Lennon. He showed her the gun and bullets, but she failed to inform the police or mental health services. He made an appointment to see a clinical psychologist, but instead flew back to New York on December 6, 1980.[7] He reports having re-enacted scenes from The Catcher in the Rye.

On December 7, 1980, the day before the killing, Chapman accosted singer-songwriter James Taylor at the 72nd Street subway station. According to Taylor, "The guy had sort of pinned me to the wall and was glistening with maniacal sweat and talking some freak speak about what he was going to do and his stuff with how John was interested, and he was going to get in touch with John Lennon."[11]