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Re: Tuesday ramblings--The days of our lives!

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
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hi jt,

well, i may be a right/left winger then. because the way i see things, zimmerman looks innocent under current law and this makes me think the law sucks!

buying skittles ought to be a safe thing to do.

it is unsafe not because of zimmerman but because the whole damn structure is screwed up.

one reason it is screwed up is because violence is celebrated in us society (see games, hollywood etc).

one reason it is screwed up is possibly to do with the things they have added to the food chain and into the air, or whatever other factor is causing the rise of mental aberrations such as autism and bipolar disorder (see newtown etc).

one reason it is screwed up is the second amendment and its interpretation which means that guns are prevalent in situations they should not be (see zimmerman).

one reason it is screwed up is because jobs are poorly protected, the safety net is threadbare and folks who are humiliated and who have no recourse do strange things (going postal phenomenon)

one reason it is screwed up is that children are sent to the sausage factory aged five and by the time they are eighteen, they are zombies who have had little time to develop as social human beings.

one reason it is screwed up is because the question of race remains an issue and for myself, i think it is because it is being handled wrongly - media bandwagons are part of the problem and not the solution.

one reason it is screwed up is because money creates perverse incentives. the arms manufacturers and the cigarette makers and all of these folks do their work because they want to make a profit and they pass their negative externalities along to their victims (scratch that) society. the politicians spend much of their day spoiling democracy for a ha'porth of campaign finance tar.

first we acknowledge the extent of us society's sickness. only then can we find the cure. the zimmerman case is a symptom of the much larger problem.



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Re: Tuesday ramblings--The days of our lives!
By: joe-taylor
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Wed, 27 Feb 13 3:38 PM
Msg. 12718 of 54959

CF,

Before we begin, we do have a great deal of respect for you and what you think and we value deeply your intelligence and your opinions.

The Zimmerman's brother statement had to be a relay from Zimmerman himself because Zimmermans brother was not there.

We have heard the recording featuring the coon statement on media several times. It is real!

Most of what is being read is either directly or indorectly coming from Zimmerman because, other than 911 calls, he was the only one there. We doubt that he is going to admit to racism, particularly in light of the fact that his father is a judge in one of the east coast states and was available to give advice via telephone.

We do not contest the facts that Zimmerman was bloody and was losing the fight.

Unless the seventeen calls for help were all recorded on 911 tapes we see no way that anyone could have counted them. We doubt that they were simply because it was the calls for help that triggered the 911 calls.

We do not contest what Martin's parents said after the death.

We had not heard the part about the animal control officer and what he said. However, in a court of law, the prosecution will tear to pieces the idea that an animal control officer could give advice on the carrying of firearms. Did the animal control officer carry any himself?

Although we had not heard about the lie detector test, we are curious how a midsized police department could have this sort of equipment available for immediate use with a trained operator so conveniently available to do the administration. And, also, why they would need to do this sort of test that quickly. These tests can be done at any time and what was the big hurry? We would point out that this police department had been criticized for not responding to 911 calls before which was part of the reason for the neighborhood watch. The town is apparently of some size and the police department is apparently not large enough to properly cover all of the area. It has been said that the police stated that it would be fifteen to thirty minutes before they could get anyone to the scene.

There is a lot of dust stirred in the air surrounding this case and a lot of interesting reporting being done by many. Not all of it may be accurate because the right wing has taken this case up as a cause to advocate for additional gun use and the left has taken it up as a cause for additional gun control, particularly in the area of the stand your ground laws which now exist in twenty six states in the United States. And, also, we need to remember that this is all taking place in the context of a southern town.

Regards,

Joe


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