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Re: Tuesday ramblings--The days of our lives!

By: joe-taylor in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Wed, 27 Feb 13 3:15 AM | 94 view(s)
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CF,


You are the first to mention to me that Martin was looking in windows and I have been watching this case very closely. Tne attack occured on the sidewalk that both parties were walking on and ended up in the grass where Martin died. If the color thing was an invention of the media, we do not believe that line at all. The media was slow to report the case and when it was reported, the lead was always the recorded 911 calls that came in from Zimmerman himself and then from those that called in to report the cries for help and then the shot which could be heard in one of the 911 calls. The bit about the hoodie was mentioned by Zimmerman himself in one of the exchanges. And, by the way, the reason that the federal government is interested in this case is a partially muffled phrase on one of the 911 calls where Zimmerman refers to Martin as an (inadible) coon, whichg os a southern slang term for black people! Really, Zimmerman is his own worst enemy in these 911 calls. In addition to that, we have only Zimmermans credibility in what provoked the fight and his credibility was sorely damaged when he lied to the judge about his finances in order to secure a lesser bail than the one million dollars that he is out on now!

This case has turned into a cause celeb. here in the United States and we think that holding a hearing without a jury and releasing this man without facing the jury in the face of the death of a minor might provoke some civil unrest just as the Rodney King fiasco did in California back in 1992. In that case, incidentely, the local jury found King's attackers innocent and then a later federal jury found them guilty, so there are some parallels there.


Regards,


Joe


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Re: Tuesday ramblings--The days of our lives!
By: Cactus Flower in ALEA
Wed, 27 Feb 13 1:39 AM 		Msg. 12709 of 54959

hi jt,

far as i know, the colour thing was an invention of the networks.

the story as i understood it: he was an off-duty neighbourhood watch chappie who allegedly saw a suspicious-looking guy looking in windows. in accordance with the law, he carried a concealed weapon. he was following the suspect at a distance. somehow, for no clear reason, the two ended in a confrontation. zimmerman alleges he was attacked by martin, who was considerably larger. he sustained injuries during the fight, including a broken nose. zimmerman alleges martin reached for his gun but he shot him in self-defense.

martin is not present to tell his version, of course. but zimmerman's story isn't incredible to me. they could easily be presented in exactly the same way from martin's viewpoint and lead to the same conclusion. but with martin seeing zimmerman as a figure of fear.

but in my opinion, those facts do not amount to a murder story. they are the sorts of events that are bound to happen in the legal setting florida has created in the kind of neighbourhood we are talking about.

two people fearful of one another. plenty of testosterone. each one thinking the other is a baddie. the guy losing the fight has a gun. he uses it.

how can you have a hate crime? what did zimmerman hate about the kid? that he was wearing a hoodie? i see no mens rea in this story. only the actus reus. and the actus reus occurs during an uneven fight in which the losing party allegedly fears for his life.

if you permit hidden weapons, this kind of thing will happen.

for me, in this case, the law is an ass. it was a simple case of assault if the law made weapons-carrying impermissible. but the law allows some folks to carry weapons. and so a young man lost his life.

same weapons kill ducks, of course. but if a society chooses the right to bear arms, there will be deaths of this type. and in spite of the death of one of the two actors, the other one may not be guilty of murder.

the point is, the second amendment provides a hideous right which turns simple fights into fatalities.

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