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Re: Tuesday ramblings--The days of our lives!*

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Mostly agree.

But it is an important element that France and Britain declared war without being attacked. They really did go to war against fascism. They understood the threat Hitler posed. For me, that is an important thing. The folks who everyone excoriates for appeasement were in fact the same people that said, thus far and no further.

But you are also right that neither Britain nor France was prepared to go to war for Czechoslovakia or the Sudetenland.

The phony war kinda expressed the fact that attacking France was not Hitler's immediate plan - or at least something of which Germany was capable. And while attacking Westward was one option, I think some believe Germany's (or really Hitler's) original (or at least superior) desire was to go Eastwards to establish its desired lebensraum.

France and Britain set up a line in the sand, which Hitler crossed. And so they went to war. But frankly, they were not ready to engage. Indeed, even when the time came when they did, they were not ready to engage!!

Whereas Germany was already prepared for war. And if it had originally intended to strike Eastwards, it could not leave an aggressor in its rear. And so it invaded France.

At any rate, the thing is not to fuss about how it all came about but to be happy that Hitler was defeated. We all share the spoils of victory.


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Re: Tuesday ramblings--The days of our lives!*
By: bridgebuilder
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Tue, 26 Feb 13 10:45 PM
Msg. 12703 of 54959

I agree on the US hero statement totally. i did a little research and it appears to me that no country really acted before being forced to.
Britain and france let germany fully have some smaller countries, such as czechoslavakia, before, as you said, declaring war when poland was invaded.

(from History.co.uk) - Did you know...•In 1940, three British journalists anonymously published the book Guilty Men. It called for the removal from public office of 15 politicians and labelled appeasement as “deliberate surrender of small nations in the face of Hitler’s blatant bullying.”

and when Poland was invaded not only did russia not act but they took advantage of the situation and occupied 1/3 of poland.

(History.co.uk) - The Soviet Union – which had spent the 1930s searching for a ‘collective security’ agreement in Europe and had signed a non-aggression pact with Germany on 28 August 1939 – also profited from the invasion. On 17 September the Red Army crossed the Polish border in the east, seizing a third of all Polish territory. Some Poles fled across the border into Romania, eventually reaching the west and continuing the war as the Free Polish Forces. Warsaw finally surrendered at 2.00pm on 27 September.

and even after poland was invaded and Britain and france had declared war they didn't exactly leap into battle until they were attacked themselves.

(History.co.uk) - By May 1940, Europe had been at war for nine months. Yet Britain and France, despite having declared war on Germany in September 1939 following Hitler’s attack on Poland, had seen little real fighting. This tense period of anticipation – which came to be known as the ‘Phoney War’ – met an abrupt end on 10 May 1940, when Germany launched an invasion of France and the Low Countries.

So in summary of my evolving opinion...I agree with you that the US wasn't any more courageous than the european allies but also no less. All of those countries basically sat on their hands until the last possible moment when their country was in jeopardy and then all fought courageously for a successful outcome. I don't think the US should be beshmirched for entering late nor should they be given the label of the saviour of the war. Just another country that entered when attacked and did heroic work.

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