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Re: Guns and Religion...and Brazil

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Mon, 28 Jan 13 8:46 PM | 55 view(s)
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hi dig,

of course, it takes years (and decades) to remove guns from a society.

but that a country like brazil can lower the rate of violence is encouraging. it shows that changing laws can have an effect.

obviously, there are going to be anomalies in the statistics. these may be random. they may be due to enforcement issues. lots of causes of static.

ideally, you want the rate of gun ownership like the uk, in which deaths by arms are vanishingly small.

or you choose a "free" model, in which you stop pretending that widespread ownership of weapons isn't the cause of the problem. And that killing ducks is more important than saving children.

I think the former is more free, myself. But you choose your freedoms. Freedom to shoot ducks. Freedom for children to remain alive. Tough choices.




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Re: Guns and Religion...and Brazil
By: DigSpace
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Mon, 28 Jan 13 8:36 PM
Msg. 12550 of 54959

generally, when looking at total gun death versus gun ownership one sees a strong correlation. If one removes suicide fromthe numbers the correlation is largely, but not entirely, broken. The US, e.g., still leads while well-armed countries like Switzerland fall below the line.

A case study perhaps is Brazil. Brazil enjoyed very high ownership and death rates. They have moved sharply to curtail ownership through stiff regulation. They still have a death rate (gun deaths per capita) that dwarfs the US. The rules came on line in 2003, and while their rates are still bad, they HAve fallen dramatically (a 1/3rd 2/3rds or something like that).

The country has some very scary violent slums, active criminal gangs and drug trade, it may serve as a reasonable 'what if' model after about 8 years one sees meaningful reductions in gun violence although still have a comparatively gun-violent nation.


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