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Re: Guns and Religion...and cars

By: Down And Out Man in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Mon, 28 Jan 13 8:06 PM | 62 view(s)
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Not sure where you get the idea that restricting access to guns doesn't work.

I don't think I said with any certainty that it doesn't work....I said I don't THINK it will work any better than restricting drugs does.

Why do I think that? Probably because there are hundreds of millions (or billions?) of guns out there already. And bad folks that want guns will pay about as much attention to the new rules as do the ones that want cocaine.

I do think background checks and bans will eliminate some gun deaths. Sure. (Note the think word again, I don't claim to KNOW much of anything in this discussion.) I don't think it will come even close to eliminating them. Or even halving them. At least not in our lifetimes. Or in this country that's already full of guns. And plenty of bad folks and sick folks.

Might come closer with a ban on the ammunition. But again, I doubt seriously the bad guys will have a lot more trouble getting it across the border than they do with the cocaine and such. Seize tons of it, while tons more finds its way to the illegal customer.

Ban it all, but I still ain't going to walk around in a certain part of town. Day or night.

Like I said, I'm in the middle. I don't claim to know what to do. I think some additional restrictions have merit. I don't think heavy bans will accomplish much, at least in our lifetimes. But you say there is no middle ground, so I guess I'm delusional. And here I was pretty sure I wasn't in either extreme corner.

Go on with your discussions. I said originally I probably shouldn't have interjected and don't normally comment on gun control. I am shocked to learn, though, that I am not in some middle position between those that want to ban things and those that want access to anything and everything.

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Re: Guns and Religion...and cars
By: Cactus Flower
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Mon, 28 Jan 13 7:34 PM
Msg. 12546 of 54959

Hi D&O,

Where I live, talking on cell phones while driving is banned.

The general principle I follow is this. If something causes harm to others, (or may cause harm to some high level of frequency) it is legitimate to regulate it.

You mention driving. The ability to drive a car in the US is a privilege rather than a right.

The same should be true of guns if people wish to lower the frequency of gun violence.

The US has the highest population of gun owners in the world. It has gun violence rates consistent with countries in which the rule of law is tenuous. These two things are clearly connected, even if other factors are also in play.

There is no middle ground. The choice is between continuing with a violent model. Or changing it.

Of course, no one is going to protect American children. Killing ducks is more important.

Not sure where you get the idea that restricting access to guns doesn't work. Look at ANY other industrialised country.


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