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hi dig,

i agree and also know that death by accident/suicide is a big factor. i agree with the folks who say you cannot stop at restricting guns. the treatment of mental health is clearly an issue. and culture can encourage violence and this also needs to change if you plan to restrain homicide rates.

weapons restrictions will contribute but they are not sufficient to reduce the problem to minimal levels.

one additional parsing of the data.

death by accident is a bit different from death by suicide. i am not sure of the split in that regard. the suicides would probably happen by other means. but the accidents would entirely disappear. so i see accidents as providing another reason to restrict access to guns.


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Re: Killing animals for entertainment
By: DigSpace
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Thu, 10 Jan 13 10:01 PM
Msg. 12434 of 54959

the wiki list you link is part of the picture, the unshown part is gun death rate giving a 2d chart where IF ownership correlated directly with deaths THEN members of the population would fall on a diagonal line ... which is pretty much the case:

http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting-gun-laws-2012-12

but what drives the first chart is accidental gun death and suicide.

Removing accidental death and suicide from the numbers as chart 2 does demonstrates that the US is just plain unique, it simply has a lot of gun violence, distinct from the ownership/homicide curve which quite plainly fails to show the correlation well at all (that is the curve is largely horizontal, not diagonal).

Assertions such as "gun ownership rates correlate with gun homicide rates (Newtons) is pretty plainly false.

It may be the reduced gun ownership is necessary to reduce homicide rates, and may even be sufficient to, but the presense of the guns alone does not predict homicide rate outcomes.


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