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Re: Killing animals for entertainment 

By: DigSpace in ALEA | Recommend this post (1)
Thu, 10 Jan 13 10:01 PM | 73 view(s)
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the wiki list you link is part of the picture, the unshown part is gun death rate giving a 2d chart where IF ownership correlated directly with deaths THEN members of the population would fall on a diagonal line ... which is pretty much the case:

http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting-gun-laws-2012-12

but what drives the first chart is accidental gun death and suicide.

Removing accidental death and suicide from the numbers as chart 2 does demonstrates that the US is just plain unique, it simply has a lot of gun violence, distinct from the ownership/homicide curve which quite plainly fails to show the correlation well at all (that is the curve is largely horizontal, not diagonal).

Assertions such as "gun ownership rates correlate with gun homicide rates (Newtons) is pretty plainly false.

It may be the reduced gun ownership is necessary to reduce homicide rates, and may even be sufficient to, but the presense of the guns alone does not predict homicide rate outcomes.


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Re: Killing animals for entertainment
By: Cactus Flower in ALEA
Wed, 09 Jan 13 7:30 PM 		Msg. 12419 of 54959

I am amused by the folks who say that people who think the second amendment sucks are extreme. Amused. I also pity them.

I know it is an American choice to have ridiculous death-by-gun rates. That this results from the second amendment. That the deaths of children is a consequence of this choice.

But surely they also know that every other industrial country has no such right. And far lower death-by-gun rates. Access to guns generates death by guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

The second amendment right to bear arms is an extreme position by global standards. If folks choose to retain it, expect more Newtowns.

What a tragic conversation this is. They won't address the root issue. You can kill a bunch of people with a pistol or any other gun. The way to solve the problem is to treat gun ownership as a privilege rather than a right. Like driving a car.

The solution is blindingly obvious.

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