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hi loosechange,

you have a very powerful advocate for your view: the NRA!

i don't actually disagree that it might be about the only interim solution which has a hope of making a difference.

but the long run issue is that there are far too many guns, the guns are too capable and too easily available, the culture encourages violent and unlawful behaviour and the mentally ill are not well provided for etc.

and as you can see, as the days tick by, resistance hardens. the us is incapable of solving these kinds of problems in a serious way. sad but experience suggests it is true.

my view is that the constitution makes it so. it makes change difficult. so problems build and build until they reach the point of utter frustration. and then - you get your catastrophe. at which point, maybe a few minds change and something happens. or maybe they don't and the us gets its murders, assassinations and civil wars.

pitiful spectacle. and no one wants to change the system which produces it.


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Re: guns
By: loosechange
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Mon, 17 Dec 12 1:03 AM
Msg. 12258 of 54959

Alea,

I understand\agree with nearly all you state, tougher clearance\permit laws, better mental health services, banning assault weapons, harsher penalties (very harsh penalties - including the death penalty in some extreme cases) however I would simply add the inclusion of very select concealed weapon permits, even if that means paying thousands of dollars for an FBI background check akin to attaining security clearances. Also, as you cite, training and coordination with authorities is a must to avoid situations of mistaken identification.

Can't speak for you but feel better there are some covert armed air marsalls on some flights. I do not feel more threatened knowing someone ( a "good" person) on my flight has a firearm.

Cities are broke and cutting back on police personnel. I am not advocating armed vigilantes. I suggest very strict "scenarios" where good guys may intervene and very very harsh penalties when breached regardless of outcome.

I went to the mall with my family yesterday. I am outraged and embarrassed that I had to give a "contigency planning outbrief" before we entered. There are many thngs we need to do to make this country safe again. I'm rather willing to try them all. Meantime, the popcorn scenario is real. And I know at this point, I am not willing to die with maze instead of a weapon in my hand trying to protect my family. Much rather have a higher comfort factor than carry a weapon. However, I nor this country can afford to wait 40 years to turn this around. We need to force this issue on the Hill. NRA and bad guys be damned.


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