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Re: Carbon Dioxide

By: DigSpace in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Fri, 07 Dec 12 8:23 PM | 64 view(s)
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j-t,

I''m glad to see you take my bait or topic of Carbon Dioxide. While there are finer points I did not discuss that you have brought up, I doubt there is anything I am forgetting or overlooking. This, fiiiinnaaallllyyy, might be an area with which I am well studied and have some competence.

You raise critical truths. Indeed, frightening truths, but truths to me without solutions.

Yes, warming water by only a couple of degrees results in the loss of dissolved gasses from water. This is really bad. Things that need oxygen suffocate, a planet that seeks lower atmospheric CO2 recognizes a massive CO2 efflux from the oceans, independent of fossil use, for ever degree of warming. Dead fish. Dead corals. Hot earth. I see this.

It is unfortunately the case that I believe we can effectively do little to rectify the trajectory. Waters will rise. People will die. I believe we must amend the "social and economic systems" (your paragraph 3) to accommodate that which I feel simply will be.

So I see your doom and gloom, I see all of it, acidification, gas solubility, lots of really bad stuff, I do not see this as a place to parse the formation and liberation of carbonic acid, but th points you raise are true and frightening. Observing these truths is important, but what is the way out of the wooods? Carbon caps today will not effect that.

Too little too late.


I have non short term solution. I propose only a notion of long term promise.

j-t, people are going to die. please propose something that shortens the pain. I believe focusing resources towards fixing and using carbon and inserting ourselves shortens the window of agony.

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Re: Carbon Dioxide
By: joe-taylor in ALEA
Fri, 07 Dec 12 12:22 PM 		Msg. 12135 of 54959

Digspace,

You have some wonderfully interesting theories here. However, you seem to be forgetting the delicate balance that this planet has been in that has supported human life for all of these years. As the planet warms as more and more of this CO2 is released, that balance is going to be further upset. The human race here on earth has existed and prospered under some pretty predictable weather and climate conditions and those are quite evidently being upset. Droughts, hurricanes, and tornadoes are becoming more and more evident as time passes by. And, those things are very unpredictable and counter productive. There are six or seven billion of us on this earth and if the food production cycles are disrupted to any great degree, most of us will simply starve to death.

Here in the midwest where a great deal of the worlds food is produced we just got out of one drought and have entered another mild winter cycle that may lead to another drought in the next growing season. If that drought expands, the consequences could be catastrophic. You also talk of ethanal production being a huge success. What you do not mention is the fact that when you place corn into ethanal production, you take a great deal of its nutritional value away. WE need that nutritional value to feed the millions who depend on it for food.

So, to make a long story short, if the weather patterns continue to be disrupted, there will be no time to institute your carbon theory as the social and economic systems will start to break down. Human life on this planet exists in a very narrow band and as the planet warms, we begin to exit that bandwidth and move into a situation where only limited amounts of life can compete for the much scarcer food resources available. Civilization may break down and we may return to a tribal form of life where only the very strong and the better organized and more efficient of us can survive. And, it may not be very many drought and hurricane cycles away! Hurricane Sandy was a super hurricane and stretched over a thousand miles in length and many more may follow her in the coming years.

In summary, the human race has survived on predictability and may not survive on the future lack of it on our very complicated and interdependant economic cycles. At least not in the numbers that we have on this planet today. And, the reduction of those numbers may be a very, very messy thing to watch! The biblical four horsemen of the apocalypse may come riding through: pestilance, war, famine, and death! And, it may happen in numbers that we have not seen in the previously recorded history of this planet! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse

And, as you like to say, we could carry on but you get our drift! And, speaking od drift, then you have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification_and_its_effects_on_marine_systems


IOVHO,


Regards,


Joe

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