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Re: responding to the age of the earth

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okay. get it.

but haven't the balkans just proved the opposite of the theory of balkanisation?

that people with separate interests are more successful in an unmerged form rather than being jammed together in an unsuccessful union.

also, i think your federal morality is more of an argument than a moral case, against which a theory of a majority (or supermajority) decision is a reasonable rebuttal.

it's not like the minority is being punished. if they want to move to a different bloc, they may do so.


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Re: responding to the age of the earth
By: DigSpace
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Thu, 22 Nov 12 10:55 PM
Msg. 11900 of 54959

probably not very well. By choosing to create a federalist state a bunch of folks think really hard and bang out a document or two that seeks to define a covenant and one that affords for various layers of decision making.

The primary focus of these discussions is one of defining the powers of AND RESPONSIBILITIES of the state as it pertains to each and every citizen (however the members choose to describe that) and the relative ability of smaller groups with in the federation to exhibit some self-determination.

It seems the generation of a federalism is dependent on the first few agonized over concepts that serve as the underpinning of the covenant.

If later in the course of affairs a particular jurisdiction decides with 80% local support to make changes the remaining 20% - those who are every bit as much apart of the collection - as likely as anybody else to have fought or died for ideas, ... they are effectively abandoned if we simply subscribe to iterative Balkanization.

So certainly, Alabama may choose to go a different way, but many members of Alabama likely don't agree, they were and are members of a Federalism, and the federal powers have a moral obligation to honor the covenant.

Any covenant can be in error, but to afford the peeling away of a federalism based of the appearance of local majorities abandons the guarantees of the federalism to those (in this case in the minority) who subscribed to that covenant.

There are no absolutes in this, and I recognize that the phrase "tyranny of the majority" is a tired one, but to the extent that members of a Federalism joined a covenant that sought to provide significant protections against such tyranny, somewhere in all of that I find "the morality of federalism", a heritable agreement not easily rescinded by majorities blue or red.

Nobody won any state with 100% of the vote.

Can a tell the liberal enclave in Alabama tough beans? Or do I have a moral duty to honor the covenant and not allow them to be enslaved, subjugated or ignored (regardless of whether they are in a sever minority).

Many Federal isms have only loose rules on these matters, others in their formation where fully cogent of the can they were kicking down the road. And War was fought. Amendments were passed. Courts have proceeded. This whole body of work constitutes a covenant, a moral obligation, the Federalism becomes a umbrella covenant, a moral agreement.


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