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christie wouldn't answer the Q as well, as I recall it was something to the effect of "none of your business" ... which could work, it implies the role of government at its leaders pertains more to the natural world and that the insertion of government into moral and philosophical spaces is done by consensus AND in the case of compelling need and not as a matter of religious doctrine.

So, e.g., society has a a compelling interest in intervening against the sexploitation of children. It is well measured and understood to cause durable harm. We can rationally consider the development of human children, look at the consequences of commercializing them, particularly in this manner, and observe clearly that society has a compelling interest to intervene.

In contrast, sodomy laws that sought to intervene between consenting ... even married consenting adults (or hoping to be allowed to marry), within their own house, has finally been judged to fail the test of society demonstrating a compelling need to interfere with something largely considered to be moral in nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

The struggle is always between society determining a compelling need, and individuals being afforded the various forms of privacy and due process that we collectively observe.

A significant slice of the neocon right sees no difference in any of these matters and lacks any sense of subtly in interpreting the role of government, society, and the assignment of a moral code. The age of the earth, the rape of a child, gay marriage, premeditated murder .... many simply don't even try to discriminate between issues on terms of the role of government, of compelling interest, of due process, and the nature of an ostensibly free society.

On these matters Christie and Jeb are considerably more reasonable than those that steered the nominating and platform discussion in 2012. It seems perhaps 2014 will give some insight, does the nature of the discussion shift at all?

Given the number of blue-lock states, and barring some sort of major catastrophe, and recognizing the continued demographic trend, 2016 may well be a tough year for Red. Things have to go so well for them it makes it tough.





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Re: responding to the age of the earth
By: joe-taylor
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Thu, 22 Nov 12 1:55 AM
Msg. 11872 of 54959

CF,

2016 is going to be a whole different ballgame! If the conservatives don't come to their senses and go to someone like Christie or perhaps, God forbid, even Jeb Bush, this whole political process is just going to continue to spiral downhill. We need two political parties with some sense about them. It is not good to have to go with the Democrats every time out of nothing more than the unfortunate fact that they are the default option! We could very easily vote for Chris Christie in 2016 if he keeps his head! Unfortunately, however, the wingnuts who control so much of the Republican party machinery are not going to go away and are probably simply going to insist on even more ideological purity as the answer as to why they did not win the past elections. Less taxes and less government is their answer to everything!

The neoconservatives have had the idea for the last couple of decades that if they cannot govern then no one lese is going to be able to due to their road block building efforts! We will know by the end of the year just how much they will acknowledge that they lost the election or not! One of President Obama's central campaign themes was that taxes would have to go up on the rich. If the right does not bow to the electorates will on that single issue then they will not bow to anything that lies ahead!


IOVHO,


Regards,


Joe


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