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Re: responding to the age of the earth

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Thu, 22 Nov 12 2:46 AM | 109 view(s)
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hi j-t,

their whole approach is undemocratic. if we don't win, you can't govern. if we win, you don't matter.

yes, there ought to be an alternative to the democrats. but the republicans have 47-8% of the electorate. and the electorate defines the parties.

it wasn't the gop establishment that moved to the right. it was the large minority of voters.

how do you make them decide that lower taxes and smaller government isn't the cure-all? how do you make them choose evolution over design? how do you make them see that bombing everyone into compliance doesn't win many friends? how do you get them to decide that life isn't an absolute requirement for foetuses and a matter of indifference for prisoners? how do you get them to see that incarceration isnt the solution?

they believe these kinds of things. you and i may disagree with them. but they have the party they wish for.

the only little bit of flexibility they are showing is on the issue of race. but that is just bobbing and weaving to buy votes. otherwise, i am worried that they are here to stay.

but being part of a country run by such people is scary for many people. why not move to iran and enjoy another kind of politics based on faith?

much better option is to let texas and however many other states drift away to believe the stuff they believe and govern themselves how they wish. maybe they will learn after a decade or two of good ole fundamentalist christian anarchy that it doesn't work. and they can rejoin the usa a little wiser and with fewer electoral votes and with the gerrymander fixed and no filibuster.


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Re: responding to the age of the earth
By: joe-taylor in ALEA
Thu, 22 Nov 12 1:55 AM 		Msg. 11872 of 54959

CF,

2016 is going to be a whole different ballgame! If the conservatives don't come to their senses and go to someone like Christie or perhaps, God forbid, even Jeb Bush, this whole political process is just going to continue to spiral downhill. We need two political parties with some sense about them. It is not good to have to go with the Democrats every time out of nothing more than the unfortunate fact that they are the default option! We could very easily vote for Chris Christie in 2016 if he keeps his head! Unfortunately, however, the wingnuts who control so much of the Republican party machinery are not going to go away and are probably simply going to insist on even more ideological purity as the answer as to why they did not win the past elections. Less taxes and less government is their answer to everything!

The neoconservatives have had the idea for the last couple of decades that if they cannot govern then no one lese is going to be able to due to their road block building efforts! We will know by the end of the year just how much they will acknowledge that they lost the election or not! One of President Obama's central campaign themes was that taxes would have to go up on the rich. If the right does not bow to the electorates will on that single issue then they will not bow to anything that lies ahead!


IOVHO,


Regards,


Joe

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