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the critical notion with the development of complex machines (eye, flight, etc)is that it requires a large number of gene modifications to get from eyeless or flightless to compound eyes and articulated wings.

The argument of incremental evolutionary change is that each of the increments (sometimes unrelated) must provide an advantage. One does not evolve and maintain a gene for enabling pupil dilation if they have not yet a pupil.

This notion, that it takes a bunch of pieces, worthless independently, to build a complex machine that underpins the ideas of "intelligent design".

The best argument for intelligent design comes not from fundamentalists, but Darwin. Darwin's treatise (an appendix in On the Origin of the Species), well-describes the incremental advantages of each stage of development of a complex machine, they eye. Although articulated wing-based flight is complicated, they eye IMO dwarfs it as a study point for complex machine development within the paradigm of incremental change.

Occasionally a particular advantage is massive, and is such situations the species explodes onto the scene.

Upright walking, much more efficient than knuckle dragging, enabling massive distances, multimedia hunting, was such a development. If you were large game and Homo erectus got you in the cross-hairs, it was pretty much over. Upright walking, a pelvis designed for miles instead of trees and power, and of course, the loss of body hair and development of advanced sweat glands.

It is incrementally sound. Climate change reduced the value of swinging in trees. So onto the ground. On the ground more bipedal mobility became valuable (based on out starting point as tree swingers). Heat became an issue. Hair loss. Sweat glands. Complex spacial reasoning of a different sort than tree swinging, and a critical mutation in a gene that determines jaw size and placement begot real estate for huge brains.

Huge brains require massive amounts of calories. 25% of our calories are to feed the brain. It is a massive calorie sink. So, plants will no longer do, we need MEAT. Upright, sweat-based air-conditioning, and a brain to track you till you drop. Homo erecutus exploded, but the trigger was an upright pelvis (IMO).

The jaw mutation was fortuitous, but rapidly leveraged. Hair loss was likely pretty brutal, a few mutants with less, the rest dying of heat exhaustion.

Genetics support the notion that the choke points for human evolution were severe, near extinction. But when Homo erectus got a big brain, and decent air conditioner, and an upright posture in the same building, its been all down-hill since then.

Yes, Wave is unable to observe incremental value. IS the Win8 server debacle a consequence of throwing money at mobile and sales? Have they not yet nailed the PC?


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By: Cactus Flower
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Fri, 16 Nov 12 5:55 PM
Msg. 11770 of 54959

reminds me of the analogy with the development of the wing in nature. how do you get from nothing to flight?

the most likely answer: in gradual, sometimes unrelated increments.

birds have feathers and feathers are an important component of flight. but feathers were developed in dinosaurs, possibly for heat regulation.

arms and hands/feet developed to favour certain sorts of articulation, but these forms may have graduated amongst reptiles in the forest canopy with the development of taut skin along the arm and connected to the torso - that turned out to have a use in gliding.

and so, gradually, these reptiles with feathers and the ability to glide adapted into the birds we see today.

evolution occurs along a continuum. it has a starting point in pre-existing nature and the intermediate features all have a use, even if they weren't the eventual one.

this is the reason for my own ancient suggestion that wave should provide a pathway for incremental change towards tc. evolution is a more powerful and frequently used and successful model than paradigm change. or intelligent design, if you will.

so i kinda agree with your friend. although maybe wave had no choice as it had no role in the industry to begin with.

the sorts of question i might ask concern obstructions. is the leap too big? is the price too great and how does it compare with the cost of insurance? is the value of tc non-obvious? is tc useful to you before such time as it exists in all devices? these sorts of things.


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