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hi j-t,

are you certain mutually assured destruction doesn't apply in the middle east? even north korea hasn't nuked the south ... so far.

for myself, i think sanctions and information damage have some impact on iran. i suspect the recent currency kerfuffle in iran was no coincidence. it shook them up quite a bit. and the us also was able to mess with their centrifuges. are they sure they can control their reactors?

i agree that they are trying to use negotiations to stall and buy time. i also think the us and others know this and will try to prevent them doing it.

a lot depends on russian and chinese buy in. i suspect they don't want a war in the region either. if o can persuade them to take a tough stance, there's hope.

i doubt we see more than the surface of things. i understand israel is important. but iran's importance is broader than israel and should be considered not just with respect to it. that is the mistake the us always makes which causes so many problems. these other countries are just as important as israel is. they all have real people in them. they have real interests.

iran has its own fears. one of those fears is that israel will attack them. indeed, netanyahu keeps implying it. aggression cuts both ways.

don't like the mullahs any more than you. but you can't negotiate a viable deal without understanding how the world looks through their eyes.


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Re: Opportunities for Obama**
By: joe-taylor
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Fri, 09 Nov 12 2:13 AM
Msg. 11558 of 54959

Dig,

The things that the Atlantic coucil recommends range from the sublime to the ridiculous. Raising awareness for human rights abuses is ridiculous. The Iranians are already possibly the greatest current sponsor of state terrorism in the world so they could care less what the world thinks of their human rights violations. Perhaps the greatest and most ridiculous item on your list is to convince Israel to act against their own best interests. And we have this question for you: What does the international community and the United States do the morning after we learn that Iran has just exploded a few nuclear devices inside of Israeli territory, possibly killing millions?

These are not games and though, given enough time, some of the Council's suggestions might bear some fruit, we simply do not have the time. Once the Iranians get that bomb it is a whole new ball game! What the Coucil says that we might destroy the chances for reform inside of Iran for another generation must be balanced against the chances of destroying Israel for all the coming generations.

IOVHO,

Regards,


Joe


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