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like dig, i wonder what the basis for your constitutional argument actually is.

it seems to me the south forced the issue. it might not have required a war had they not seceded.

personally i think they might have been allowed to secede. but they went about it the wrong way. see scotland's current discussion about secession from the united kingdom for a different, more gradual approach.

for myself, i think lincoln had a duty to keep the untied states united, unless there was specific language to the effect that the nation is divisible.

as regards slavery - i think it was in the bundle of causes that developed into the south's decision to secede. was the tea tax the cause of the war of independence? - no. it was one of a bundle of causes that collectively resulted in a declaration of independence.

but in the final analysis, the act of secession itself caused the civil war. just as the declaration of independence forced the war with great britain.




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Re: Presidents list
By: xcslewis
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Thu, 11 Oct 12 9:17 PM
Msg. 10771 of 54959

The war was not about ending slavery.

The resolution of the issue was simply to peacefully allow states to leave the union, as was their right.

Ending slavery was not on Lincolns "to do" list. I maintain slavery would have ending in few years without the staggering cost in lives and fortune.

Lincoln trampled the constitution for his own political purposes and set the stage for the relentless growth of the federal government.


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