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The US Constitution compromise on slavery was like the last debt compromise .... to kick the can down the road.

Not really a compromise at all. Language re slavery was in early drafts, it was removed and obsderved fully to be an issue they were unable to settle.

It was well known and considered that the Constitution was internally inconsistent, that it left that matter unaddressed, unsettled, and that the matter would return.

One can certainly side against Lincoln on imposing a Federal compulsory resolution to the issue, but it is a reach to say he abandoned a comprise, he simply stopped kicking the can down the road, and decided for one law and decided against balkanization. war was fought over that. The North won. Most consider the Union a more signifcant nation as a consequence of rejecting balkanization, and hence most put Lincoln in the top slot for presidents.

Obviously, such placement depends on rejecting balkanization and embracing uniform code for "inalienable rights ...."




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Re: Presidents list
By: xcslewis
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Thu, 11 Oct 12 7:27 AM
Msg. 10753 of 54959

The American revolution was a war to separate the colonies from England so the war between the states would be the second American war of sucession.

I believe emancipation occured in Brazil and Puerto Rico in the 1870' and Cuba in the 1880's.

I believe the U S constitution reached a compromise only on the representation issue relating to the slave population. The issue of slavery itself was left to the states rather that the federal government.

I believe the sucession was about tariffs. The agricultural South either paid a tariff for imported manufactured goods or higher prices to Northern manufacturers. Effectively the Southern states were paying the cost of federal projects. Lincoln was a Whig, similar to today's crony capitalists, and wanted to greatly expand government financed projects.

Rather than humanitarian intent often ascribed to them many northerners simply wanted new states to be "white" only.

I believe had suceeding states been allowed to suceed slavery would have died a natural death for moral and economic reasons. In addition slaves escaping to the North would have no longer enforced the fugitive slave laws. Once slavery had ended the suceeding states very likely would have rejoined knowing the were free to leave as was tje original intent when the union began.


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