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By: joe-taylor in ALEA | Recommend this post (1)
Thu, 11 Oct 12 4:43 PM | 105 view(s)
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Ceceeding was not about tarrifs! The minute that the southern states found out about Lincoln's election, they began the process of leaving the union because they were afraid that Lincoln would end slavery.

As far as this story about voluntarily freeing the slaves and ending slavery in the United States, all one has to do is look at the Jim Crow laws and other things that were enacted along with the activities of the Klu Klux Klan after the civil war to begin to understand the feeling about negroes in the south after the civil war. Southern feelings about negroes went far beyond economics as they were believed to be inferior beings. And, that is an attitude held across some parts of America to this very day. Just look at the states who are trying to enact restrictgive voter registration and voting laws in states where there are Republican governors and state legislatures. We could go on and on about this but please remember that if this had been only about economics in the south the rise of the age of mechanization as exemplified by the cotton gin was already making the need for slavery obsolete. And, there is one interesting theory of history that states that slavery in some forms did not, for all practical purposes, end in some places until the civil rights battles of the 1950's and 1960's began. Blacks had problems getting good jobs, were held in obligation to the company store, were kept down by other means and generally did not see their economic situation began to change until affirmative action and other anti disciminatory laws were put in place.

IOVHO,

Regards,

Joe


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Re: Presidents list
By: xcslewis in ALEA
Thu, 11 Oct 12 7:27 AM 		Msg. 10753 of 54959

The American revolution was a war to separate the colonies from England so the war between the states would be the second American war of sucession.

I believe emancipation occured in Brazil and Puerto Rico in the 1870' and Cuba in the 1880's.

I believe the U S constitution reached a compromise only on the representation issue relating to the slave population. The issue of slavery itself was left to the states rather that the federal government.

I believe the sucession was about tariffs. The agricultural South either paid a tariff for imported manufactured goods or higher prices to Northern manufacturers. Effectively the Southern states were paying the cost of federal projects. Lincoln was a Whig, similar to today's crony capitalists, and wanted to greatly expand government financed projects.

Rather than humanitarian intent often ascribed to them many northerners simply wanted new states to be "white" only.

I believe had suceeding states been allowed to suceed slavery would have died a natural death for moral and economic reasons. In addition slaves escaping to the North would have no longer enforced the fugitive slave laws. Once slavery had ended the suceeding states very likely would have rejoined knowing the were free to leave as was tje original intent when the union began.

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