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forgive my ignorance.

wasn't the civil war the only american war of secession? therefore the first.

or are you talking about the war of independence as the first?

re slavery - wasn't the us about the last western country to abolish slavery? for myself, the failure to resolve this issue is a cornerstone of my argument that the us constitution is flawed. why? because it makes it difficult to make anything but the most gradual change, so the us often ends up making changes in the shadow of the catastrophe that inflexibility causes. every 70 years or so.

why did the south wish to secede? was it over tariffs? or did tariffs just end up entangled with slavery and states' rights in a chain of circumstances that became irreversible.

personally, i agree with the folks in the south who think they should have been permitted to secede. on the other hand, i think they would have kept slavery going to the present day, so on balance i am content that they lost.


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Re: Presidents list
By: xcslewis
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Thu, 11 Oct 12 1:11 AM
Msg. 10747 of 54959

Lincoln was a racist tyrant who trampled the long held understanding of the the individual states that the states could voluntarily leave the union just as they had joined it.

Lincoln imprisoned his opponents only for publicly opposing him, pursued a scorched earth policy against civilians in the South, intended to relocate the black population to other countries, approved the slaughter native americans.

He sacrificed over 600,000 lives in preventing succession. The second American war of succession was about tariffs not slavery. It was an unnecessary war. Slavery ended without war everywhere else in the hemisphere.

I am in the process of studying Jefferson Davis and I don't claim to be an expert, it is not a simple situation. As repugnant as it may seem slavery was still commonly accepted by many people at the time as it had been for 3000 years.

I believe it was Davis' intent to release his slaves upon his death if the Confederacy had won the war. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the confederate states where it had no ability to do so but not in the non-suceeding states where it could have. In any event the 14th amendment eliminated the opportunity for Davis to free his slaves.

At this point I would likely place him on the best presidents list but I need to do more research.


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