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Re: Is Obama Crumbling?

By: tkc in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
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Dig, I'm kinda glad OB is perceived to have been beaten in the debate and so many pundits preach the election is now so close. Much of the dems were getting too cocky and this woke them back up. OB should be able to re-energize his support and undecideds in the FP debate. He's taken really good positions and HC has been darn good. If he strongly argues his successes and takes on MR's positions adding MR's inability to be consistent on anything, he'll do very well. Then only two weeks left for MR to try and recover. Dems don't want war as their kids have to fight them. The military can easily be downsized. Oh and BTW, I not sure in this day we need all those embassies. We can send a diplomat anywhere in the world in hours if need be. Otherwise we have video conferencing and email. Save some bucks and close 75% of them - they are donkeys in supersonic age with all other methods of instant communications.


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Is Obama Crumbling?
By: DigSpace in ALEA
Mon, 08 Oct 12 9:32 PM 		Msg. 10692 of 54959

Certainly the pundits are circling like piranhas, just as they were for Mitt 10 days ago.

I have Obama winning this election at about 55% likelihood on a 50.8% popular vote, I think the pro-Obama camp (the layman camp) massive underestimates the magnitude of the circumstance.

OB is actually very vulnerable on FP (the next debate) ... he is a registered Democrat, one is always vulnerable.

Now there is a memo that the Ambassador wanted a special ops /seal team escort. Americans, FBOFW, like bellicose saber rattling leadership.

The facts are (and not facts I am saying I agree with or not) are that this guy does more drone attacks in a month than GWB considered in years, this guy has deported more "illegals" than pretty much everybody before him COMBINED.

THe guy Is, oddly, what the neocons want, deport by the truckload, shoot first, ask questions later. He is just a tad quiet about it.

This is an awful posture to debate from.

I expect that the one person that gets this is Axelrod, both the weakness of FP as a subject, and the importance of losing control of the narrative.

I suspect they will seek to return FP to domestic ecomonics to drive dropped points home.

More defense? And tax cuts? make it make sense ... and so on. Morality? Stand against democracy ... where is the future in that (regardless of whether some aspects of that democracy will result in uncomfortable outcomes - the glaring weakness of the neocon Wolfowicz platform of some sort of automatically happy democratic domino effect that they had hoped invading Iraq would precipitate.

The need to kill these points: medicare cuts and the folks in nursing homes, the track record of trickle down economics, and do we really want to breast beat our way into yet another Iraq.

And finally (but a point that can only be made in the secondary market) Iran is no Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya .... Iran can/could/and has kicked all of their asses more than once. That hunk of land, Persia, is rich in success, resources, well-educated, and worldliness both in contacts and relationship and in technology and economic ties. They are not the frikin taliban.


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