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Re: *Re: undoing the new deal and subsequent protections

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to a point,

If three people, say Gates, Allen, and Ballmer decide to simply buy the planet (no dividends, but yes some more employees) and have their cash position grow indefinitely (it was 60bn, why not 60tn) one could theoretically indefinitely accumulate unrealized gains. The effect would be to sequester enormous amounts of capital outside of the tax loop.

Shareholders could demand dividends, they might be unable to overcome the combined interests of three.

So more and more resources pile up in a corner, owned by three, and then their heirs. They do not need to pay higher salaries. They do not need to pay dividends. Certainly they will pay salaries for the employed of the properties they buy. So they invest, but never pay a dividend.

Thismodel does exist, no? REITs I believe run tax free, but they have required distribution thresholds.

It would seem tax free business in the absence f require distribution thresholds would allow a company to own the world. the company would have to be closely held, otherwise dividends would be demanded, but it otherwise is a vehicle for infinitely deferrable infinite capital gains and infinite wealth accumulation ... to three people.

I can't see how you run a country with such a wealth sink outside the tax loop.

On the other hand, in principle I have long been a proponent of zero corp tax. But its application in extreme cases could be a bit much. The entity could have monetary power exceeding the Fed, wild levels of commodities control, whole countries full of viking virgins waiting for sacrifice ... all as long as they don't pay a dividend.



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Re: *Re: undoing the new deal and subsequent protections
By: Cactus Flower
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Thu, 27 Sep 12 8:47 PM
Msg. 10364 of 54959

hi dig,

Actually, tax would emanate from these organisations - via taxes on employees and taxes on dividends.

If their profits are not taxed, then they will have retained profits to figure what to do with.

More employees? - more tax on income.

Higher salaries? - more tax on income at higher rates.

More dividends? - more tax on investors.

More investment? - taxes on future employee or dividend income.

So I am avoiding double taxation by removing the tax on corporations rather than on investors.

Then I could reasonably tax dividend income at a level consistent with a single layer of taxation.

Trouble is, companies can move their profits to safe havens. So someone like Romney may claim double taxation if he is taxed on dividends. But in fact, the company's profits are concealed in the Cayman Islands. So instead of double tax, there may be no tax at all on his income or on the company from which it is derived.


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