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Re: Poll: Obama opens substantial leads in key swing states

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hi dig,

there's also the robocall versus interview discrepancy. rasmussen favours landline robocalls and corrects for likely voters. many others also call cell phones and conduct interviews. the latter is actually considered more reliable.

i believe there is also a 1 to 1 1/2% swing to republicans over turnout. but silver corrects for this in his model. his most likely outcome is a 332 count for Obama. same as mine, which i am deriving largely from watching the poll of polls on pollster - while ceding north carolina to the republicans.

for myself, i watch the broad river, not individual polls so much. there's a mean value created by linear regression. and then there are the deviations described by individual pollsters.

but the direction in the swing states is pretty clear. the broad river is rolling in a bluer direction.

i don't think the republican critique is serious. i think it is simple denial. or deliberate obfuscation. they are terrified of confirmation bias. once a campaign is seen to be losing, folks move to support the winning candidate. this looks like a last ditch defence and tells you they know they are in serious doodoo.


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Re: Poll: Obama opens substantial leads in key swing states
By: DigSpace
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Wed, 26 Sep 12 6:22 PM
Msg. 10330 of 54959

no question Nate puts it on robocalls and landlines, the right puts it on sample weighting. The two narratives both segregate the rolls similarly.

I just don't know if they actually do sample weighting, or if the relative weights are simply a consequence of the method (type of call/phone). Are the deliberately pre-determining the party mix they choose to use as a representation of what will happen? Or are they simply reporting the party mix that their polling discovers and that different methods discover different mixes?

Most of that data is buried at the premium subscription level it seems.

I still watch Ras pretty closely, Dems turn-out poorly and generally over-poll (at least over my lifetime) 2008 being the exception.


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