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Re: The MI poll

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Yup (on flier polls). I haven't used the huff tools much, and do appreciate that Silver uses fudge factors depending on the source.

I like Rasmussen, it is kinda my bad day benchmark. They are a point or two Red compared to others, but blue voting turnout can be so remarkably soft at times that Rasmussen basically accommodates that concern for me.

Silver uses similar regions to compile guesstimates where the data is thin ... IA might always vote the same as a well polled state or district elsewhere e.g.

I'm kinda suprised at the lack of polling in the swing states over the last 10 days. I would have expected a fair bit, but instead it is NY and CA etc.

I was surprised to see MT comein at only +5 for Mitt from PPP. Perhaps the gov's speach at the DNC had some effect. It won't swing MT, and it may only be local appeal, or perhaps it speaks towards that kind of liberal-redneck-fiscal-conservative out there.

There are a lot more liberal-redneck-fiscal-conservatives in the US than folks think. Again, a tortured Venn diagram, but I suspect a bigger demographic than folks think.

Its the person who believes 1. you pay your bills, 2. school should be affordable 3. they really like to shoot stuff 4. there is a reasonable role for immigration and 5. mind your own business on everything else (life-choice, land use, speed limits).

It makes for a confusing demographic: Pro-choice, anti-regulation, pro-gun, states-rights, well-funded schools, managed immigration.

Right now those are in party terms: blue, red, red, red, blue, blue. Net 0

On those Obo is (or perceived as): agree, disagree, (disagree/agree), disagree, agree, agree. Net +1

Mitt is: disagree, agree, agree, agree/disagree, disagree, disagree. Net -1.




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Re: The MI poll
By: Cactus Flower
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Thu, 13 Sep 12 7:21 PM
Msg. 10010 of 54959

Hi dig,

haven't used the rcp map. but the nice thing about the pollster version is you can remove poor quality pollsters. there are some who look like they are deliberately polling to move the dial for everyone (eg purple strategies, gravis). there are others who just can't get a consistent result (eg mitchell).

when i exclude these guys from ohio, it changes from a chart that looks like a narrowing race:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-ohio-president-romney-vs-obama?gem

to this, in which I think a shorter trendline regression interval would show Obama's numbers bending upwards:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-ohio-president-romney-vs-obama?gem#!hiddenpollsters=gravis-marketing,purple-strategies

the latest ppp poll looks on the money to me: 50:45:5.

removing pollsters really shouldn't change anything. yet it does. which tells you something.

note - i leave rasmussen in, because the fact that they lean to the right is less important than the fact they seem to derive results consistent with the pattern of other pollsters.

so i have ohio in the obama column. i'm with nate silver on this. i don't treat all pollsters as equal. some are more equal than others.

silver shows 78.1% probability of ohio for obama, by the way.


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