Finding a way to show that these things are different is one of the challenges of conversation with some Wave investors.
You know, later this summer, it will be sixteen years for me (following the Wave conversation.) That is astonishing when you think about.
But, as I've pointed out numerous times, there have been well over a million message board posts on a handful of different boards over the years.
And the cheerleaders cheer and the naysayers point to the elephants in the room. And, for the most part, nobody changes sides. Slowly, over years, a few of the duped investors get disgruntled enough to become skeptics or even naysayers. But there has been precious little mind changing accomplished by the million(s) posts.
It really is idle talk in many ways. (Just like this.) So called "DD" has provided nothing but investment losses and hope for the future. Naysayers have "saved" precious few investors from staying on this plummeting "rocket ship". (Wow, that was from years ago!)
But still we talk.
I've said before, it's kind of like the old guys that go to the coffee shop every morning to ratchet jaw.
Lots of problems solved, huh? 
Meanwhile, if WAVX can pull off a tripling of share price, it can get back in the same zone as when the ATM sales started not so very long ago.
D&O, trying to survive the early summer hundred and teens. 
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