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I see what you are saying, dig. And of course, what you say is correct from that perspective.

But you can go to Legoland and remark upon the fact everything is made of lego, and then you can also note that the buildings are different. And then you can wonder if the rain or the wind or the sun may affect the structures, and by affecting the structures affect the composition of the lego.

I think we agree but we are simply talking about the same thing viewed from different angles.

At the species level, where sub-populations of alleles are distinct, the balance between selfishness and altruism is important. That is kinda what The Selfish Gene is about.

If you want to read a really useful little book on evolutionary justifications for morality, I recommend The Origins of Virtue by Matt Ridley. Draws together all sorts of strands from Maine lobster fishermen and the spontaneous emergence of property rights, the tragedy of the commons, evolution, the prisoners' dilemma and suchlike to show why some degree of altruism is not just virtuous, it is socially efficient.

Once you know that, it is hard to see Ayn Rand as delivering anything but a harsh social theory in which entirely selfish people try to justify their greed in a make-believe land. Sure, that works in fiction.

It is very clear that the Republican Party is in the grip of an attempt to make America into a Rand Republic. To do so, they must collectively shut their eyes to reality.


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Re: Entomology clarification***
By: DigSpace
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Wed, 09 May 12 2:04 AM
Msg. 07755 of 54959

I would amend that, 'genes don't cause evolutionary changes', they measure the environment, the result is evolution. (or the environment measures them,the direction of the vector not important to me)

My little treatise there is not a truth or meant to be, it is an idea, that one must crawl into in order to present.

The environment is the wall of pressure against an allele set, we can assign that pressure to species, individuals, or the alleles themselves. We generally assign it to species.

I did not mean to in any way dismiss the environment, indeed I simply assumed it, the tapestry upon which alleles, individuals or species are measured and selected.

So yes, "If we care about variations within the allele population, then we need to think about the way populations are affected." ... but what do we mean when we say "populations" ... the members of a species? Normally that is what we do, but for life, self-replicating molecules, the distinction is somewhat arbitrary.

It is much more noticeable if we walk back to single-celled organisms, where a bug is lucky to hold a species designation for a year, before it it gest reassigned, reconsidered, and redefined. I'm not used to hearing the word "extinct" when one speaks of bacteria. Why is that?


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