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No. I don't think it is possible or even desirable for the two to cooperate. But I do think that there's little need for war. In my view, they are mostly distinct things addressing mostly different questions.

If you and others worship, that's no skin off my nose even if I think you are presumptuous about a god's wishes. Indeed, I recognise that religion offers some valuable outputs for its adherents and to society as a whole. Having a whole category of people who believe in compassion and forgiveness is a good thing in my view.

Just don't expect everyone to adopt your model of a divinely ordered universe or imagine religion is useful for explaining things outside its purview. For instance, the bible is pretty crap at explaining nature: Darwin did a better job on the origin of species than Genesis 1 or 2; Copernicus was smarter than Joshua about the central position of the sun in our solar system.

But if you want to know how to behave when someone slaps you on your cheek, it gives advice which has some utility (at least in certain circumstances).

So coexistence is cool. But they are different things.


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Re: lic
By: wavydog
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Mon, 07 May 12 5:51 AM
Msg. 07654 of 54959

And another thing: Those who choose to worship,myself included, would not agree that God has put himself beyond our capacity to confirm His existence but rather that He has revealed Himself to us through His creation and through His Son and through His word. Of course if He had not chosen to reveal Himself then you would be correct that we would never be able to confirm His existence. You should not limit everyone to your own experience. I do agree with you that there was a time when science and religion were much closer, both being concerned with truth. You say that religion "lost it's purpose in understanding the world arouind us" Isn't there an inherent differece between ( here I'm speaking of the Christian faith) religion which claims to have received knowlege through revelation and science which is more of an on going search. For me, and I realize this will not sound humble, but if you think about it, it is, I've found the answer. The answer can not be found through science because science is only one part of the puzzle. I don't understand why there is a conflict. Can't we try to figure out how the universe works whether we believe it was created or it is eternal using the same methods?


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