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Hi dig,

To get something close to a sales ratio, you would want to remove R&D, at least. If the auditor did its job, the classification between R&D and S,G&A should be pretty accurate and should at least be consistent.

The good news, as Ramsey is pointing out, is that the tide of small sales is improving.

The bad news, as nfp is pointing out, is that each sale costs more as the sales team expands.

Going forward, the figure to watch is the ratio of sales (on some sensible, comparable measure) to sales-related expenses. Can Wave's sales team improve the income per sales person? If it can, then the market is expanding and I'd expect the company to do well. If it does not, then Wave's in serious trouble.


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Re: Ratios edit
By: DigSpace
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Thu, 03 May 12 6:50 PM
Msg. 07525 of 54959

Yes, its not just sales, its cash-flow .... in the end that reads out on the revs line and the PL line.

looking at dRev and dExp in percentages QtoQ one observes:


qtr dRev% dExp% dRev-dExp
Q2-09 21% -8% 28.96%
Q3-09 -5% 3% -8.65%
Q4-09 1% 14% -12.93% **
Q1-10 16% 6% 9.98%
Q2-10 9% 11% -1.60%
Q3-10 4% 6% -2.15%
Q4-10 5% 5% 0.28%
Q1-11 6% 15% -9.39% **
Q2-11 8% 4% 3.50%
Q3-11 15% 11% 4.34%
q4-11 12% 28% -15.49% **

Obviously Q1-11 (**) and Q4-11 (**) stand out as the big expense pulses that in some way could be argued to have obliterated the otherwise improving outlook with the recognition that Q4-09 (**) was presumably all about nailing GM with some authority. The last column (dRev-DExp) needs to be a positive value for the lines to intersect and profitability to follow.

Obviously (again), these numbers may be improved upon by breaking out SGA and RD, but I really don't know how representative those values actually are.

A better way would probably be to do moving averages on these values to get a better feeling for what is going on. It is still rather obviously a rather volatile, punctate of you will, data set.

edit, so while the general impression of exp outpacing revs holds, it is a consequence of rather discrete events, the broader trend is IMO more encouraging. If one removes the first and last quarter from the data set above and has software impose a trendline on dRev-dExp it is clearly a positive slope.

and now it is time to put the abacus back in the smoker.


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