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By the way, I think there's a decent argument to be made on the other side - which is simply to bury the conversation in the fuzz of value contribution.

I think awk started there today but went off in another direction later.

The truth is, there's a knowledge deficit into which no argument can really trespass. Can one say with certainty that PS did not earn his bonus? Of course one cannot. The sceptical argument is based on inference and relative increases. But in the final analysis, it is impossible to say anything without doubts attached to it.

What's a bit depressing is the unwillingness to see that the search is to find a middle ground. Not a mushy middle, but a middle ground that accounts for the optimism and faith of the family loyalists and the concerns of the tight-governance people. It's there to be had within a discussion of formal controls and public disclosures.

To that extent, it is bizarre. But I think it results not from some underlying collusion - except doubtless via email - but rather due to insecurity. Some folks see an argument in favour of high standards of governance as an attack on the company. Whereas I want the company to have high standards - such as an independent board - because I think this is in its interests.

I wish there was someone exactly like me on the other side of every argument I make so I didn't have to work both sides!! Double duty is tiring. Luckily I have some beautiful music to listen to while typing: a composition for 10 guitars.




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Re: tkc, Hi CF
By: Cactus Flower
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Mon, 02 Apr 12 5:59 AM
Msg. 07168 of 54959

Hi tkc,

I think it is a curious coincidence that there seems to be a correspondence between those who seem most curious about the financial picture and those who are most concerned about wanton expenditure.

In my mind, I see shares pinging out the door as Wave invests in tangential opportunities. Unfortunately, for me they have form as somewhat less cautious investors when going off the main path - witness WXP and iShopHere.

As neither the board nor the managers are heavily invested in equity, they don't feel the dilution quite the way investors do. Options provide upside opportunity, but little downside risk.

This is the underlying basis of the point which arose in the CC. For Steven, any defence of board members and management failing to invest is good enough. Inside information is a pretty stale effort at an excuse, but it will suffice for him apparently. But the sum total of their lack of exposure is that I don't feel the downside risks for shareholders and the management/board are aligned.

Being careless about the Sprague family's compensation fits that observation fairly neatly. Who cares about dilution if you replace your options in larger volumes and at lower prices next year. "The Spragues are our friends. Let's give them the chance to do what they wish. We have no real exposure to risk, but if old Pete knocks the ball out of the park, that's cool for all of us." - that's what they seem to say.

Who really cares about the shareholders' interests in that conversation?

Maybe people who are numbers-based are less apt to associate themselves with family ties. It is fairly blindingly clear from a financial perspective that the interests of the company, those of its shareholders and those of the family are discrete. Maybe this is territory that is unfamiliar for other folks.


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