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Hi dig,

Too many potential variables in the balance sheet (eg increases/ decreases in AR and AP) to get down to the final cash balance. But looking at Wave's company only numbers and starting from the top here are the numbers I think I have a handle on:

The cash balance bf is $6.9m.

The net loss will be $4.2m or so. -

Depreciation will add back around $0.2m. +

Stock-based compensation will be $1.5m or so. +

I expect BP will have paid Wave the full contract amount upfront and that little of the income will have appeared in the P&L, so add $1.7m. +

So these things together put the cash at around $6.1m before other balance sheet adjustments are made.

The remainder of the cash flow calculation depends upon decisions such as how slowly Wave pays its creditors and how hard it chases its debtors, whether it has purchased any fixed assets, if there have been any investment-related activities such as the redemption of warrants etc.

These things I don't know. Do you have a handle on the warrants redeemable during the fourth quarter?


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Re: Ha ha ha**
By: DigSpace
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Sat, 17 Mar 12 11:03 PM
Msg. 06896 of 54959

Alea, a few points

first, while I have always considered sharecomp a big deal at Wave, I have never pointedly tabeled it in, I guess I should back it out of SGA e.g., hence my cash end of Q guesses are generally low. While many look to the broadly observed non-GAAP EBITA metric, Wave adds the S, 'cause the S for them and their size is a big deal ... but it is not cash-flow.

second, Q4 and Q1 were soft last year, and I was all myopic on QtoQ lately and not doing any sort of seasonal thing (with a sample size of 1, not easy)

third, I have never been in the 'if you build it they will come' notions regarding staff increases that so many placed hope in. I'm a 'if you don't build it they won't come, so build it, and hope they come' but the timing of these things is the job of mgmnt, and on this there is no demonstrated ability.

fourth, I have SMB/bundling contracting slightly in Q4 (as it did Q4 and Q1 last year), and that is based on an assumption of booking $145k of BP.

fifth, I've lost track of what to expect for maintenance, Q1 will be the first real start of the maintenance line-item. In any event, it looks almost inescapable for Q1 fully consolidated top-line contraction, last observed in Q3'09. I mean, they could squeak in a sideways (services to FBCB2 and whatever units sell into that maybe it's take 10k seats, but that would like go through deferral)

sixth, a lot of my final impressions for this 10k will be based on cash-on-hand ye and AR-AP

seventh, so ... any guesses on end of year cash?

So, in the end
1. SMB looks disappointing by about $1m
2. Some of the non-recurring will go by-by
3. The timing of SMB softness, Safend costs, and GM/BASF falling off the books is going to make for a rough period until demonstrated mil or other such.
4. I wonder how much cash they ended the year with.

Did I mention cash?



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