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Re: DE,,,,,Verify what you buy is REAL gold,,,,,,,,,,,... U.S. Gold, Going or Completely Gone? -- Posted Friday, 29 May 2009

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Nemo,

This is an argument for buying coins... and even jewelry. It's far more difficult to counterfeit them.

Gold bars, on the other hand, can be hollowed out and filled with tungsten. Even the density seems right when that's done by an expert.

Knowing what I know, I wouldn't buy a gold bar. There's just too much risk.




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Gold is $1,581/oz today. When it hits $2,000, it will be up 26.5%. Let's see how long that takes. - De 3/11/2013 - ANSWER: 7 Years, 5 Months


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DE,,,,,Verify what you buy is REAL gold,,,,,,,,,,,... U.S. Gold, Going or Completely Gone? -- Posted Friday, 29 May 2009
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Here is a gem from way back

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/08/us-exported-5000-metric-tonnes-of-...
US Exported 5000 Metric Tonnes Of “Gold Compounds” Over Last Two Years August 29, 2009 by Eric deCarbonnel
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/08/us-exported-5000-metric-tonnes-of-gold.html
... U.S. Gold, Going or Completely Gone?
-- Posted Friday, 29 May 2009

This past Tuesday evening I found myself reading a snippet from Enrico Orlandini's, DTAnalysis [DT stands for "Dow Theory"] - where Mr. Orlandini opined,
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I took special note of how 2,920 metric tonnes of "Gold Compounds" had been exported from the U.S. in 2008. This number seemed BIGGER than BIG — because the U.S is only alleged to have stockpiles of sovereign gold of 8,100 metric tonnes while annual U.S. mine production of gold is roughly 228 metric tonnes. This figure of 2,920 metric tonnes is equal to 36 % of all alleged sovereign U.S. gold stocks or more than 14 times annual U.S. gold mine production. So, I was left wondering, "just what is/are 'gold compounds'?

I contacted the USGS and queried a qualified individual [who had working knowledge of this data stream] about the definition of "Gold Compounds". I was told that, according to the U.S. Census Bureau — who supplies not only the definition but the actual reported numbers, gold compounds were typified by industrial type products containing low percentages/amounts of actual gold content — like gold paint.
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The Implications

Ladies and gentlemen, the foregoing data and discussion with the USGS individual is proof that the United States of America [or criminal elements within its Treasury and/or The Federal Reserve] "HAS" surreptitiously exported physical gold - and continues to do so. It is confirmed. The exports are likely coin melt [or gold compound, if you prefer] from the great gold confiscation back in 1933; or alternatively, this terminology is being used to disguise physical repatriation of foreign gold bullion formerly on deposit with the N.Y. Federal Reserve. Such repatriations are recorded as "exports" in U.S. Trade data. Public acknowledgement of same would scream like a siren call that the global financial community has totally lost faith in American financial stewardship — hence the need to do so on the sly.

This is being done in a vain/desperate/losing battle to satiate "off the charts" global demand for physical gold bullion arising from the profligacy of the American Empire's two previous Administrations and to prop up the failing U.S. Dollar.

Over the course of 2007 / 2008 — more than 5,000 metric tonnes of "Gold Compounds" have been exported from the United States of America representing more than 62 % of reported sovereign U.S. gold reserves or about 24 times annual U.S. mine production.

5000 metric tonnes = 160 753 733 troy ounces [$128 billion+ at today's prices]

The fact that industry funded trade groups like the World Gold Council and other professional gold consultancies, who shall remain nameless, have not reported these facts negates their credibility and illuminates them as dupes or willing shills. These fraudulent or ignorant organizations deserve to be shuttered and disbanded.

U.S. Trade Data Is Bogus

The value of these bullion exports significantly "skew" the doctored U.S. Trade numbers [coincidentally, also prepared by the U.S. Census Bureau] in an attempt to convey a picture that the U.S. financial position is improving.

The reality is this, when gold exports are backed-out, the U.S. Trade picture is decidedly worse.

The United States of America claims to possess a little more than 8,100 metric tonnes of sovereign gold stored principally at Fort Knox, Kentucky, West Point, N.Y., the Denver Mint and The New York Fed. The sovereign U.S. gold reserve has not been independently audited since the 1950's during the Eisenhower Administration. GATA's freedom of information requests are all about ensuring that the 8,100 metric tonnes of U.S. sovereign gold is still owned by the U.S.

In April, 2008 the Federal Reserve responded to GATA's request, releasing hundreds of pages of worthless information with significant portions redacted. They also claimed that they were withholding hundreds of additional pages of documents. The status of the withheld documents is currently under appeal.

These stonewalling tactics — withholding details - are eerily similar to those employed by Messer's Bernanke, Paulson and Geithner refusing to divulge frank details as to "who" the beneficial recipients were of TARP and TALF funds.

No credible audit of the Sovereign U.S. Gold Reserve will EVER be allowed — because the gold is simply not there.

Hope you have some.My reaction: US has exported 5000 metric tonnes of "gold compounds" over the last two years

1) 2,920 metric tonnes of "Gold Compounds" had been exported from the U.S. in 2008.

2) The U.S is only alleged to have stockpiles of sovereign gold of 8,100 metric tonnes while annual U.S. mine production of gold is roughly 228 metric tonnes.

3) 2,920 metric tonnes is equal to 36% of all alleged sovereign U.S. gold stocks or more than 14 times annual U.S. gold mine production.

4) An individual for the USGS agreed that the data, as published, did not make logical sense and explained that the U.S. Census Bureau was questioned as to the veracity of this particular line item in their data.

5) The U.S. Census Bureau is assigning an astronomically high value to these goods.

6) The values being reported would be more in line with these goods being gold bullion or equivalents.

7) foregoing data and discussion with the USGS individual is proof that the United States of America has surreptitiously exported physical gold - and continues to do so.

Cool Public acknowledgement of these gold exports would scream like a siren call that the global financial community has totally lost faith in American financial stewardship

9) Over the course of 2007 / 2008 - more than 5,000 metric tonnes of "Gold Compounds" have been exported from the United States of America representing more than 62 % of reported sovereign U.S. gold reserves or about 24 times annual U.S. mine production.

10) No credible audit of the Sovereign U.S. Gold Reserve will EVER be allowed - because the gold is simply not there.

U.S. Trade Data Is Bogus

1) The value of these bullion exports significantly "skew" the doctored U.S. Trade numbers

2) When gold exports are backed-out, the U.S. T rade picture is decidedly worse.

Conclusion: Until someone explains to me what these "gold compounds" were, I am going to assume that they were half the US gold reserves leaving the country.


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