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Re: Dang. Gotta hope the US is a safer haven

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Wed, 16 Nov 11 8:20 PM | 43 view(s)
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http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/italian-default-scenarios.html

"The euro zone periphery was a sideshow. This stuff with Italy is the real deal. With yields at 6.7% and rising, it’s game over for the euro zone. The extend and pretend stuff ain’t gonna work.

And if you are an investor, this is the moment of truth. Everything – every asset class – depends on how the euro zone performs in the Italian Job. There are only two outcomes, here. If Italy blows up, a Depression is upon us; banks would be insolvent, CDS triggers would implode the system, bank runs would begin, stock markets would crash, and you will would see sovereign debt yields go to unbelievable lows for nations with a lender of last resort. If Italy survives, I would expect a monster rally in periphery debt, stock markets, and bank shares and a selloff in CDS at the minimum. However, the euro zone is already in recession so that rally will not be sustained.

Forget about Berlusconi and austerity in Italy. That’s a sideshow too. Austerity is not going to bring Italian yields back down. These days are over, folks.

Here’s the real problem: Italy needs to run a primary budget surplus (excluding interest payments) of about 5 percent of GDP, merely to keep its debt ratio constant at present yields. That’s never going to happen. So the yields for Italian bonds must come down or Italy is insolvent. More than that, a stressed Italy means a stressed euro zone and a deepening recession with all of the attendant ills that means: Ireland would suddenly start missing deficit targets for example. Bank shares would be under stress, triggering more Dexia’s. So even if Italy limps along at 7 percent yields, we will see a nasty double dip recession and bank failures. And we know that yields will rise. Last November, we were discussing Ireland in the same way with its yields at these levels. Soon, the yield went to 9% and Ireland was forced into a bailout – one that Italy is to big to give.

So we are definitely facing a real financial Armageddon scenario here."


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Dang. Gotta hope the US is a safer haven
By: Cactus Flower in ALEA
Wed, 16 Nov 11 6:34 PM 		Msg. 06252 of 54959

European bond rates rocketing signals the likely failure of the euro as currently constituted.

Split the damn ting in two. It's the obvious solution. Let the peripheral and southern countries run a softer currency and the core northern ones operate like the old Bundesbank with the Deutschmark. You can't run the euro only to support the German idea of what an economy should be.

Chancellor Merkel is turning the strong euro catastrophe into a global one: hoping, I suppose, that non-euro countries will be forced to assist in a bail-out. The failure of the euro is more-or-less inevitable. This is not a single fixed-currency plate. It needs the ability to flex.

Either that or it needs a Fed equivalent central bank capable of acting as the lender of last resort. Thank goodness for the US that it has such an institution.

The failure of the euro can either be orderly but embarrassing (a euro-split) or disorderly and humiliating (a euro failure). No other choices look likely - the Germans don't want an indebted Europe.

Cripes.

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