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Fri, 11 Nov 11 6:43 PM | 93 view(s)
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"The role of government is to foster the pursuit of wealth and protect the wealth that has been created. Government creates neither wealth nor jobs."

Hocus pocus, csl. These are just your dogmas.

The government has many roles. Protecting wealth is not one of them - wealth and property rights are different things. One of the roles it plays is to define and secure the limits of property rights and to ensure the proper functioning of markets. Another is to set rules (law and order). Another is the health of society (inequality, contagions). Another is the issuance of money (the wonderful Fed). Another is defence.

In sum, the role of government in the US is to do the bidding of the American people, who have all sorts of interests. So in general, government's role is to provide a balance between these competing interests. If you love your constitution, you should at least admit its purpose: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

America was established for the pursuit of happiness. The pursuit of property is a different thing: a subset of happiness, if that.

Most Republicans admit that the government creates jobs if they are military jobs. That is why there can be no cuts in the military. That is also why most Republicans are hypocritical on the subject of deficits. They apply their deficit theory only to programs they dislike.

Frankly, it is a pretty silly statement that government doesn't create jobs. Of course they do. The government is full of people with jobs. All sorts of government contracts create jobs in private industry. The defence industry is entirely based upon government purchasing, for instance.

And the fact that the government creates some the assets out of which wealth is created is manifest. Think of the sales of Trident submarines or of the electricity from Hoover's dam - from which both wealth and jobs were created.

On the other hand, doing things which do not generate wealth is also a useful role government plays - as generating wealth is not the only meritorious thing a government does. To employ detectives who hunt down murderers is not constructive of wealth. To employ judges to manage court rooms is not generative of wealth. Yet most folks agree these are a good things.

Again, csl. As a rational, sentient being, how is it you don't think when relieving yourself of your dogmas? They make no sense, but they issue forth from your mouth as if they do. You are capable of knowing this, and yet you will not revisit your beliefs. They are precious to you and yet you don't defend them when challenged. You just repeat them later as if they have been holding water all this time. Like a mantra. Om.

You have me flummoxed.

I'm with you on Chinese food though. Yum.




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Re: Perry Moment
By: xcslewis
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Fri, 11 Nov 11 9:35 AM
Msg. 06238 of 54959

I support the lesser of to evils and for me that is almost always the Republicans. I want an an exceedingly small government with the greatest level of authority granted to local government.

Reagan promoted lower taxes and less regulation. The economy was in shambles when he took office. Things were in much better shape at the end of his administration. The source of wealth is human effort and creativity. The role of government is to foster the pursuit of wealth and protect the wealth that has been created. Government creates neither wealth nor jobs.

I wish he would have reduced government spending and balanced the budget but you are right the massive military spending was likely a key factor in the collapse of the Soviet empire.

I actually don't expect Cain to get the nomination but so far unless more facts arise the last ten days appear to be character assassination to me.

I am opposed to abortion, I was once shocked by an electric fence and I really like Chinese food.

Pretty much agree with other comments except I considered Clinton(Bill) a likeable buffoon whose views went wherever the wind blew. Never liked Hillary.


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