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Re: Someone on iHub

By: 4321 in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Sat, 15 Oct 11 4:33 AM | 34 view(s)
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Ok, So I was off base on my TNC example and we are back to the Secure Element discussion and who controls it and which one will prevail.

I think you said elsewhere and I agree with you, that Wave delaying their entry point in the mobile space is not necessarily a bad thing. Let the MNO's, Device OEM's, Banks figure out what they want and then Wave can build their TAN (Trust Area Network) around it.

As long as it has a MTM and Trusted Execution Environment somewhere on the device it's good for Wave.

If it takes an "age" to sort out, well there is Golf, cards and the PC space.

Laughing Laughing


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Re: Someone on iHub
By: Cactus Flower in ALEA
Sat, 15 Oct 11 3:59 AM 		Msg. 06042 of 54959

Hi 4321,

It really started analagously when I was reading the NFC Forum news site:

"Many of the NFC-enabled smartphones that will be introduced by handset makers starting this year will carry embedded secure chips that could host applications not in the control of operators. That could create tension between telcos and handset and mobile platform suppliers since many of the GSMA mobile operators are pinning their business cases for NFC on controlling the secure elements in NFC phones. That is why they want the SIM to be the de facto secure element.

Most of the NFC phones carrying embedded chips are also expected to support NFC applications on SIM cards, but this creates other potential problems, say telcos.

For example, Anne Bouverot, executive vice president for mobile services for France Telecom-Orange, warned last week at an NFC session at the Mobile World Congress that applications stored both on SIM cards and embedded chips in NFC phones could cause fragmentation, so that customers wouldn’t know whom to call in case of a problem with their services.

But the GSMA sees other looming interoperability problems for SIM-based NFC services.

For example, an M-Ticketing white paper the association released this month identified several challenges for ticketing on NFC phones using SIM cards. They include lack of standards regulating the strength of contactless transit readers to enable NFC phones to work in battery-off mode.

There are also no standards for provisioning ticketing applications on SIMs or for the over-the-air downloads of tickets. And licensing of transit technology, such as Mifare, is in the hands of private companies, such as Mifare owner NXP Semiconductors, with no standards governing the availability of the technology, said the report. This could increase costs for operators that order NFC-enabled SIMs, said a GSMA source."
http://www.nfctimes.com/news/mobile-trade-group-calls-more-nfc-standards

This reminded me that the card service providers and the telcos had control issues during the Finread years.

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