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Re: Pumps

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA
Wed, 12 Oct 11 6:50 AM
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Hi orda,

I've done a bit of research on this subject.

I read some of Bacon's essays to see if his thinking matched Shakespeare's. It was learned but very different.

I have also studied the case for the Earl of Oxford and read some of his poetry. There are indeed things about him that fit the profile, although I don't think his writing really touches Shakespeare's complexity.

Here's a nice one by Oxford:

"FROM Breton's Bower of Delights, by Edward De Vere, aka Oxford

Of the birth and bringing up of Desire

When wert thou born, Desire? In pomp and prime of May.
By whom, sweet boy, wert thou begot? By Good Conceit, men say.
Tell me, who was thy nurse? Fresh Youth, in sugared joy.
What was thy meat and daily food? Sore sighs, with great annoy.
What had you then to drink? Unfeignëd lovers' tears.
What cradle were you rockëd in? In hope devoid of fears.
What brought you then asleep? Sweet Speech, which likes men best.
And where is now your dwelling-place? In gentle hearts I rest.
Doth company displease? It doth, in many one.
Where would Desire then choose to be? He likes to muse alone.
What feedeth most your sight? To gaze on favor still.
Who find you most to be your foe? Disdain of my good will.
Will ever age or death bring you into decay?
No, no! Desire both lives and dies a thousand times a day."

But should I compare it to 'a summer's day', written by Shakespeare around the same time:

"Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And Summer's lease hath all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And oft' is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd:
But thy eternal Summer shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that fair thou owest;
Nor shall Death brag thou wanderest in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou growest:

So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee."

I've also studied the case against Oxford and in favour of Shakespeare. I just think the latter case is far stronger - even if it is a little less glamorous. You can explain a lot of what the Oxfordians doubt simply by supposing that in this particular person, we are describing an unparalelled genius.

I'll bet it is a good movie though. Derek Jocobi is a well-known Oxfordian and a fine actor.