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Re: I know Boehner is just trying to save (edited)

By: clo in FFFT | Recommend this post (0)
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Decomp,

"Recalls" are rare, yet this year in Wisconsin
16 seats were challenged, historical. The democrats picked up 2 seats, short 1, but still amazing.

Main article: Wisconsin Senate recall elections, 2011

There were efforts to recall eight Democrats and eight Republicans related to the budget repair bill.[289] The Democrats were targeted for leaving the state for three weeks to prevent the budget repair bill vote from taking place while the Republicans were targeted for voting to seriously limit public employee collective bargaining.[290]

Scholars could cite only three times in American history when more than one state legislator has been recalled at roughly the same time over the same issue.[291] 

In the end, two new Democratic senators were elected to the Wisconsin State Senate, giving the Republicans a slim 17-16 majority in that legislative body.

As for your argument about "Congressional polls" having little impact, I disagree. That's why we had the results of 2010.
I also believe many voters prefer a divided government, I happen to be one. Too much power can have terrible results.

If Mitt is the republican candidate I think Obama will lose. However, if the right wingers select Perry, Obama will have another 4.
I also look forward to a BIG turnover in the Congress, say goodbye to many of those obstructionists! Not a moment too soon! clo




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Re: I know Boehner is just trying to save face, but claiming that Obama is coming at his invitation does sounds a bit disingenuous at this point...
By: Decomposed in FFFT
Fri, 09 Sep 11 10:18 PM 		Msg. 33117 of 65535

re: "The reason democrats fled, they were doing so to have REPRESENTATION for their constituents."

I have no idea what that means.

But I *do* appreciate the "No, for either party" consistency of firing representatives who go AWOL.

You know, there is actually a fine Congress has imposed upon its members for being absent. If memory serves me, it has only been levied TWICE . . . in something like 100 years.

Good intent. Lousy implementation. The problem with Congress is that it doesn't police itself very well.


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Now, if you'll grant me leave to change the subject.

I've pointed out many times that the public is extremely dissatisfied with the President.

You've consistently responded that the public is even more unhappy with Congress.

And, just as consistently, I've replied that the public is ALWAYS unhappy with Congress. More importantly, they're unhappy with OTHER CONGRESSMEN. Generally not with their own.

The implications of this last point deserve further scrutiny.

clo: It matters not a whit if voters are unhappy with OTHER CONGRESSMEN. They don't participate in OTHER CONGRESSMEN's elections. If they are happy with their OWN congressmen - and polls keep telling us that they are - then, on the basis of their dissatisfaction with Congress as a whole, they will not vote for change.

Are you with me on that?

This means that your responses about voter disatisfaction with Congress is absolutely irrelevant. It doesn't affect Congress's composition. And since Congressmen are pretty smart guys, they know this. Therefore, such polls do not affect Congress's behavior.

Dissatisfaction with the President is a very different matter. It is dissatisfaction not with someone else's President, but with our OWN President. The one we vote for.

Voter dissatisfaction with a President generally results in a 100 percent alteration in the composition of the Presidency.

Moreover, a public that is disgrunted with the President often recognizes the hyprocrisy of voting out the President but leaving his political buddies in place. They are, therefore, more inclined to remove them from office as well.

In a nutshell, dissatisfaction with Congress does not tend to causes changes in the makeup of Congress. But dissaction with the President does.

That explains the phenomena of coattails . . . and sweeps.

You guys are going to creamed in the 2012 election.

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