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The chart in Minyanville's article is pretty compelling - at first glance.

It seems to show four major bubbles, all of which burst at the same level gold is at now. But does it really show that? I looked closer and came away convinced that the chart is designed to mislead. The author should have sited Mark Twain's *other* famous quote (okay, he had many.) The one about there being three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

This chart is playing a game with statistics.

As best I can tell, there is no consistency in how the four different investments are being graphed! You can chart ANYTHING that's rising, after all, and if you use a different scale for each item, you can make the charts look somewhat alike.

In Minyanville's chart, I see:

o Gold rising from 270 to 1900 (a 7x increase)
o Japan rising from 20,000 to 40,000 (a 2x increase)
o China rising from 400 to 6000 (a 15x increase)
o Nasdaq rising from 500 to 4500 (a 9x increase)
o Crude rising from 15 to 145 )(a 10x increae)

Very different results. Very different periods of time. Very different units of measure. Yet all made to look as if their bubbles burst at the same time . . . coincidentally, the point where gold is right now.

Hah! The chart is designed to mislead. When you look at its different components, they aren't even accelerating at the same angles prior to their bursts!

Gold could pull back today... or it could do so in ten years. IMO, it won't do either. The dollar will fail and gold will be priceless (as will everything else with inherent value.)

Here's a larger version of the chart.

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Is the gold bubble popping? (Minyanville)
By: Decomposed
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Wed, 07 Sep 11 8:59 PM
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Is the Gold Bubble About to Pop?

By Todd Harrison
Minyanville

Sep 07, 2011 10:10 am

History doesn't always repeat but it often rhymes.

The yellow metal debate is pretty fierce.

On one side, you’ve got a viable view that it’s the only true store of value in a world full of fiat currencies. It’s a safe-haven, a place to hide.

On the other, in the words of Warren Buffett, “It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.” He’s got a point; we dig it up, turn around, and bury it in our back yard.

What’s clear is it’s a great trading vehicle and it goes without saying that it’s been a snazzy investment over the last decade. It was also, for lack of a better word, my salvation coming out of a particularly chilly streak in 2003. "Buy energy and metals, short tech and financials and open a taco stand in Costa Rica," I said at the time, sending shivers through the culinary ranks in Central America.

I felt like a hero in the Summer of 2008 when I abandoned the gold camp and shifted my long-term bucket to 100% cash. “All roads lead to deflation,” I said at the time, pointing to the Internet as the most deflationary invention of all-time. That was before Shock & Awe was injected into the veins of the markets, an infusion that shifted the DNA of capitalism.

Stay humble or the market will do it for you, indeed.

Be that as it may, I've updated our Bubble Comparison Chart (weekly, from 1985) and the picture, as they say, speaks 1000 words.

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When I posited this vibe on Facebook and Twitter, and the feedback was pretty one-sided.

"It really is different this time," said a very smart friend.

“There's no place left to go," chimed Zach Mayo.

"It's the only safe investment in the world!" screamed a self-proclaimed television pundit.

They may be right. If I’ve learned anything in this business, it's that trends tend to last longer and go further than most people expect.

I will simply say this; if you've got some gold as a hedge, please remember that you always want to lose money on your hedges.

If you own it as a pure speculative play, consider yourself officially informed. History doesn't always repeat, as Mark Twain famously said, but it often rhymes.


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