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Hi clo,

Thanks. Very interesting insights. I think there's a lot to be said for what you are saying - especially when thinking about the causes of decline. (ie what was America like when it was successful, and what seems different now). Your post definitely represents a contemporary view I recognise.

I'd just like to point out something in your first point:

"In the USA, you can aspire to become anything you work for, even president, as long as you're born here.
You don't need to be born into a family to become "king or queen.""

Don't forget slavery and the rights of women. The US boom began when the conditions you are describing didn't obtain. So for myself, I would disqualify this point as a fairly late entrant to the US experience and therefore not so much a factor in its formation. Unless, of course, one counts it as a philosophy regardless of the reality.

Also, the job of king isn't available in the US even if you are a freedom-toutin', gun-totin', cigarette-smokin', gubmint-hatin', Reagan-lovin' white male! Nothing you (or I) can do about it, either. And since I think constitutional monarchy adds a layer of trust and unity which isn't present in the US system, and as countries with constitutional monarchs seem to fare relatively well on various measures (eg the Scandinavian countries top many measures of prosperity and social mobility and also have constitutional monarchs), I don't see the relative historical advantage you would expect given your statement of the case. I see this more as a point of pride - which is real and understandable - than of historical advantage.


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Re: Education
By: clo
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Sat, 03 Sep 11 3:06 PM
Msg. 05762 of 54959

Good morning Cactus Flower,

In the USA, you can aspire to become anything you work for, even president, as long as you're born here.
You don't need to be born into a family to become "king or queen."

Anything is/was possible, free education available for all, at least until college. Then grants & other means of relief would be offered if you were a good student.
Now, the costs of college make it nearly impossible for many, especially since a "job" is no longer guaranteed after you graduate. Unless you're going to be an engineer or doctor or go into the sciences, the young folks would probably be wiser to learn a trade.
When you need a plumber or electrician you need to hire local.

We were NOT an aggressor until GWB attacked Iraq.
We were respected as a country, known for our benevolence. Now we are considered a "bully", even Obama increasing troops in Afghanistan added to this image.

Americans trusted the "system".
We worked, saved, bought homes, raised families, fought for our country.

Wall Street abused the system, bankers abused the system. Government watched and turned a blind eye & allowed this to happen, because they were depending on these businesses to support their reelections.
There is a HUGE conflict of interest in the system.

This has tilted the scales. We became a great country because of the strong Middle Class that developed.
This Middle Class has been attacked, unions are smeared, teachers & firemen painted as greedy. Meanwhile the top 1% has amassed monies unheard of.

We are watching the evaporation of the Middle Class, with us goes the strength of the country. Instead of a solid thick tree trunk, a thin branch is holding up this country.

I don't know how or if this will improve? clo


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