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Re: AAA rating

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Wed, 27 Jul 11 5:37 AM | 48 view(s)
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Hi tkc,

What I am saying is that we don't actually have a Platonic perfect AAA rated type of debt. There is no absolute. There cannot be. Value is not intrinsic. So credit rating is a relative measure. Practically-speaking, AAA means the most credit-worthy kind of debt available in the marketplace. That will be the US government regardless of whether S&P rates the US AAA or BBB.

So if US government debt is the fixed point and all debt relationships are linear, then when you lower the US credit rating, essentially you have to lower the rating for everything else.

Will the US have to pay higher interest rates as a result of the S&P downgrade. I think buyers will ignore it. There will still be no more robust form of debt available to purchasers.

If the US defaults, then I think that will have an impact. But I don't see how S&P can make a difference. If anything, in the turmoil which I expect as a result of a default - perversely - I think people will want to purchase US debt as the most robust kind of asset available. Gold would also likely sore. Crazy world we may be entering.

Following my own logic, here's my solution. Forget the grand bargains and don't worry about S&P. Just raise the debt threshold.




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Re: AAA rating
By: tkc
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Wed, 27 Jul 11 4:50 AM
Msg. 05506 of 54959

Hi CF, although I agree w/ your point, I personally haven't yet grasped why that makes any difference to those individuals that have debt or own bonds. Won't interest rates still rise? Thus causing interest on credit cards to rise? Mortgage rates to rise causing home values to decrease? The value of bonds to decrease? The cost of borrowing money to business to increase causing investment to decrease? Inflation to increase?
A couple of quick examples: Won't an increase in interest cause the car dealership to have increased cost for financing his "floor plan" thus causing car prices to increase? The farmer that borrows for seeding or equipment replacement have higher expenses he needs to pass on to customers?
Are you suggesting that in the long haul that we're simply going to inflate our economy out of the problem? Not being argumentative, just not grasping your point. I'm not economically naive, maybe just not nuanced enough. Tia as always.


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