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Re: Housing - Grok'd, corrected, and distilled. 

By: monkeytrots in GRITZ | Recommend this post (1)
Mon, 15 Dec 25 2:37 AM | 13 view(s)
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Final distilled portion only:
Core Thesis (Revised):
The primary drivers of U.S. housing inflation are chronic underbuilding fueled by excessive regulation and wild swings in Federal Reserve monetary policy—not immigration surges.Key Points (bullet-proof, in order):America has underbuilt housing by 3–7 million units for decades, largely because local zoning (often reinforced by federal incentives and environmental rules) blocks dense, affordable construction.
The Fed’s near-zero rates (2020–2022) supercharged demand and sent prices soaring 40%+ nationally; subsequent sharp hikes locked millions of homeowners into low rates, freezing supply and keeping prices elevated.
Immigration adds demand pressure, especially in specific hotspots, but nationwide it’s a secondary factor—migrants also expand the construction workforce and revitalize declining markets.
Claims that federal handouts to migrants are directly exploding rents lack evidence; the real federal fingerprints are on regulatory barriers and interest-rate volatility.

Closing Punchline:
If we want lower housing costs, the fixes are boring but effective: slash zoning restrictions, stabilize monetary policy, and build like crazy. Scapegoating newcomers distracts from the policy failures in Washington and city halls that actually broke the market.Short, logically tight, and far harder to dismiss than the original. Chew on that version—happy to sharpen it further if you want.

Explain zoning reform proposals

Compare to healthcare inflation

Make it more persuasive

Agreed. Good distillation. Thanks again.

You're welcome—glad it hit the mark and gives you a sharper tool for the debate.If you ever want to stress-test this version against fresh data, tweak it for a specific audience, or dive into another angle (like how to actually fix the supply mess), just say the word. Happy to keep refining.Cheers!

That, imo, is MUCH BETTER than my first stab it.

The FULL critical analysis by Grok of my previous Housing reply can be found here.


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Re: Housing
By: monkeytrots
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Mon, 15 Dec 25 2:31 AM
Msg. 14882 of 14945

The Thesis: Immigration and Illegal Immigration are the overwhelming principle cause of Housing Inflation.

Counter Thesis: The correlation between housing inflation and increase in immigration, illegal immigration is .... [b]simple correlation.[b]

Principles of logic state that correlation is ABSOLUTELY NOT PROOF of causation.

Think on that. ALL the media are spouting this nonsense, and even government 'officials' are espousing this ridiculous and non-existant 'cause and effect'.

This nonsense got a HUGE kickstart from that Ohio Haitian 'eating cats and dogs' broohaha, where it was 'conclusively proven' that the MONSTROUS increase in population, almost exclusively Haitian, had TRIPLED the cost of 'lower income' housing. The 3x increase DID indeed occur, and many low income people were kicked out in order to rent to higher-paying Haitians. That is only HALF OF THE TRUTH.

The [b]REAL CAUSE OF THE INCREASE WAS NOT THE HAITIANS.

IT WAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MONEY being GIVEN to the illegals for HOUSING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. That is a pure, certifiable 'cause and effect' FACT.

THESIS: The REAL cause of the 'housing price explosion' can be laid FIRMLY at the feet of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Regulations, Federal Reserve Policies/Interest Rates, EXTREME EXPLOSION in Federal bureaucrat numbers qith the exorbiat salaries they are paid, migration of said people from excessively overvalued properties in both LEFT COAST areas chewing up lower priced properties (and thus driving prices up elsewhere) with their tax-payer funded APPRECIATED HIGH PRICE housing bonanzas; thus the GOVERNMENT CAUSED HOUSING INFLATION pain is spread in a double-dipping penalty on the rest of US in the U.S.

Grok ALL the preceding - I haven't ... but am pretty sure the above is difficult to argue against.


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