Yeah, that's like talking to a Democrat. You ask 'em a straightforward question and they divert, dissemble & lie. You prove to 'em that they are ignorant liars ... so, they say "sorry" (maybe) and divert, dissemble & lie some more. You show 'em that you know they are still being insincere and deceitful ... so, they get petulant about being rightly called out and try to divert, dissemble & lie some more. Then ... you have to get even more direct ...


The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. ~ D.H. Lawrence