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Re: Russias summer offensive in Ukraine underwhelms ; but Kyiv won’t be celebrating

By: Fiz in GRITZ | Recommend this post (0)
Mon, 30 Jun 25 3:35 AM | 14 view(s)
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We now know (unless you are a Democrat) that USAID was a slush fund set up to infect other countries institutions, perform bribery (and probably murder), and change the results of their elections. Yes. Psychological warfare! Horrors, the truth finally came out in 2025. But you still can't snap out of your trance and your programming?


Wake up! OUR GOVERNMENT OVERTHREW THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE IN 2014.

http://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Why-America-Overthrew-Democratically-Elected-Government-in-Ukraine

http://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

"President Barack Obama spent "$5 billion paying Ukrainians to riot and dismantle their democratically elected government."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/

The US Puppet-Masters -- OBAMA, IF YOU WANT TO VENERATE HIM -- didn't like that more than half of the Ukranian voters wanted to have a good relationship with Russia. So, Obama and his NeoCon friends, OVERTHEW the election AND INSTALLED A PUPPET GOVERNMENT IN UKRAINE.

One which would "properly" hate Russia and Russians; including ethnic Russians who happened to have lived in Ukraine for generations.

One which would do what "The United States" wanted. And, of course, one which would allow more than a few US politicians -- like Biden and the Clintons -- to skim profits from "taxes" and other corruption in Ukraine.

All of us here are still, to one degree or another, suffering from decades of brainwashing, trauma, and "post hypnotic suggestions" about how the world works, how the world should work, and what our GOVERNMENT (a fictitious entity with severe multiple personality disorder) is. Our government is NOT the people of the United States. Our government is NOT the Country of the United States.

In 2014 the "King" of the United States happened to be Obama. You worship Obama, right? You think he is a "good guy"? Oh, you don't?

If you don't than why do you have such a hard time believing that Obama and his friends (folks like Soros and The Clintons, and worse) would overthrow a "democratically elected" government in Ukraine in order to better PILFER the country?

I mean, it is 2025. And you are closer to the end of your life than the beginning. Get a clue. Grow up.


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Re: Russia’s summer offensive in Ukraine underwhelms – but Kyiv won’t be celebrating
By: Fiz
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Mon, 30 Jun 25 2:59 AM
Msg. 10593 of 10610

Kind of true. Kind of not. Take a look at this map and brief explanation.

http://northhistories.blogspot.com/2014/09/pereyaslav-treaty-of-1654-agreement.html

The point is that Ukraine was very much divided on affinity with Russia. To the east (the regions Russia has so far concentrated on occupying) half or more of the population considered themselves to be, fundamentally, ethnic Russian: basically colonists FROM Russia at the time Russia stepped in.

There's this American fantasy, propagated by our MSM, our NeoCons, and our ignorance, that Russia simply "invaded" the Donbas (eastern Ukraine) out of greed. The truth is, that most of those people were probably delighted when Russia first came in -- because they were being massively unrepresented and actually oppressed (including murdered) without any legal redress under the Ukraine government.

Don't we believe in "no taxation without representation" anymore? That people who are systematically oppressed by their RULERS have a "God given right" to break away and form their own country? Once upon a time that is how the Colonists came to break from England. What is so hard to understand about that?

To those of us who have never known anything but the semi-stable nation-states it can be hard to understand that there didn't use to be “countries” as we know them now. There were ethnic groups. From time to time migrant ethnic groups would "migrate" their way in, generally after having been displaced by famine, war, or sometimes as a direct consequence of conquest.

And sometimes it was actually a religious divide amongst a single culture.

However it happened, intermarriage or effective bans on intermarriage, would produce new classes, subcultures, differing preferences or trades, and eventually language differences. Most of these reconfigurations were not exactly "voluntary", much less "democratic".

If you think back, I expect you can remember when there were significantly strong divisions within the United States. Remember when the "Southern accent", the Bronx accent, the Boston Accent, the midwestern accent, etc. were real things?

How many people realize that the Revolutionary war produced a massive break amongst the population. A large portion of the population in the colonies didn't WANT to break away from England!

After the war ended, a lot of colonists felt, or were, compelled to move:

American immigration to Canada dates back as far as the Revolutionary War, when approximately 100,000 Americans fled north. The majority of this total were colonists loyal to the crown, and their arrival north of the border led to massive changes to the social, cultural and political landscape of Canada for generations to follow.

Similar to the colonists who left the newly formed United States in the 18th century, thousands of black Americans departed the USA for Canada during the 19th century in order to avoid the horrors of slavery and racial oppression during the War of 1812 and the subsequent Civil War. Unfortunately, although many found freedom in Canada, significant numbers of black Americans still encountered economic prejudice and social discrimination after arriving in Canada.

The 20th century also saw thousands of Americans move to Canada to avoid conscription to the U.S. army during the Vietnam War. According to Statistics Canada, in the nine-year period from 1966 to 1975, almost 240,000 Americans moved to Canada.

http://moving2canada.com/planning/moving-from/united-states/history-american-immigration-to-canada/


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