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09636 Re: After this latest crash, I am thinking Boeing needs to put out of business. Am I being irrational?
   [b]Boeing’s fatal crash rate (0.31/million flights) is higher than... 		nacl01   GRITZ   13 Jun 2025
 3:12 PM
09615 Re: After this latest crash, I am thinking Boeing needs to put out of business. Am I being irrational?
   MT: Thank you for this detailed analysis. Even when normalized... 		Fiz   GRITZ   13 Jun 2025
 4:13 AM

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Re: After this latest crash, I am thinking Boeing needs to put out of business. Am I being irrational?

By: monkeytrots in GRITZ
Fri, 13 Jun 25 2:51 AM
Msg. 09609 of 09749
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Methinks that the author at zerohedge otter due some basic research before opening his mouth.

Talk about writing click-bait, fear mongering and bad-mouthing with presentation of zilch in the way of real information - just going off his 'anecdotal feeling'.

THIS TYPE OF CRAP IS IRRITATING.

A few pointed questions to grok could have provided a plethora of pertinent information.

EG:
In the past five years have there been more deaths from crashes of boeing aircraft than on other major aircraft such as Airbus - or is this simply an illusion from unequal press coverage.

To determine whether there have been more deaths from crashes of Boeing aircraft compared to Airbus or other major aircraft manufacturers in the past five years (2020–2025), I’ll analyze available data, focusing on fatal accidents involving commercial passenger jets. I’ll also consider whether press coverage may skew perceptions of safety records. The analysis is based on accident statistics, fleet sizes, and flight frequencies, as these factors are critical for a fair comparison.

.... A lot of very relevant info sidewalled ...

Caveats and Considerations
Incident Causes: Crashes are often due to multiple factors (pilot error, maintenance, weather). The 737 MAX crashes were linked to design flaws (MCAS), but the 2022 China Eastern and 2024 Jeju Air crashes’ causes are inconclusive.

Data Gaps: Global data for 2025 is incomplete, and non-U.S. incidents may be underreported for Airbus. The unverified Air India crash (2025) could alter Boeing’s totals if confirmed.

Safety Trends: Aviation safety has improved, with 2023 seeing no fatal passenger jet crashes globally. Both manufacturers have low accident rates compared to historical norms.

Final Answer

In the past five years (2020–2025), Boeing aircraft have been involved in at least 311 confirmed deaths from two major passenger jet crashes, compared to 1 for Airbus and likely fewer than 100 for other manufacturers like Embraer. Even when normalized for fleet size and flight frequency,

Boeing’s fatal crash rate
(0.31/million flights) is higher than Airbus’s (0.20/million flights).

While intensified press coverage of Boeing incidents amplifies public concern, the disparity in fatalities is not merely an illusion but reflects a higher incidence of fatal crashes. However, both manufacturers maintain strong safety records overall, and aviation remains one of the safest travel modes.

I asked a couple more probing questions on the issue, and challenged Grok about it's own potential bias.

It was an illuminating conversation, imo.

The entire conversation can be found at this link:
If ya so desire ... have a bit of fun.

http://x.com/i/grok/share/iQBwiPfmzbw1FhLvASMfp2IFx


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