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Methinks that the author at zerohedge otter due some basic research before opening his mouth.

Talk about writing click-bait, fear mongering and bad-mouthing with presentation of zilch in the way of real information - just going off his 'anecdotal feeling'.

THIS TYPE OF CRAP IS IRRITATING.

A few pointed questions to grok could have provided a plethora of pertinent information.

EG:
In the past five years have there been more deaths from crashes of boeing aircraft than on other major aircraft such as Airbus - or is this simply an illusion from unequal press coverage.

To determine whether there have been more deaths from crashes of Boeing aircraft compared to Airbus or other major aircraft manufacturers in the past five years (2020–2025), I’ll analyze available data, focusing on fatal accidents involving commercial passenger jets. I’ll also consider whether press coverage may skew perceptions of safety records. The analysis is based on accident statistics, fleet sizes, and flight frequencies, as these factors are critical for a fair comparison.

.... A lot of very relevant info sidewalled ...

Caveats and Considerations
Incident Causes: Crashes are often due to multiple factors (pilot error, maintenance, weather). The 737 MAX crashes were linked to design flaws (MCAS), but the 2022 China Eastern and 2024 Jeju Air crashes’ causes are inconclusive.

Data Gaps: Global data for 2025 is incomplete, and non-U.S. incidents may be underreported for Airbus. The unverified Air India crash (2025) could alter Boeing’s totals if confirmed.

Safety Trends: Aviation safety has improved, with 2023 seeing no fatal passenger jet crashes globally. Both manufacturers have low accident rates compared to historical norms.

Final Answer

In the past five years (2020–2025), Boeing aircraft have been involved in at least 311 confirmed deaths from two major passenger jet crashes, compared to 1 for Airbus and likely fewer than 100 for other manufacturers like Embraer. Even when normalized for fleet size and flight frequency,

Boeing’s fatal crash rate
(0.31/million flights) is higher than Airbus’s (0.20/million flights).

While intensified press coverage of Boeing incidents amplifies public concern, the disparity in fatalities is not merely an illusion but reflects a higher incidence of fatal crashes. However, both manufacturers maintain strong safety records overall, and aviation remains one of the safest travel modes.

I asked a couple more probing questions on the issue, and challenged Grok about it's own potential bias.

It was an illuminating conversation, imo.

The entire conversation can be found at this link:
If ya so desire ... have a bit of fun.

http://x.com/i/grok/share/iQBwiPfmzbw1FhLvASMfp2IFx




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After this latest crash, I am thinking Boeing needs to put out of business. Am I being irrational?
By: Fiz
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Fri, 13 Jun 25 12:53 AM
Msg. 09603 of 09745

http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/air-india-boeing-787-8-dreamliner-bound-uk-crashes

Am I the only one who is beginning to think Boeing jets are categorically unsafe for commercial flights? Up until recently I've been dismissing the fact that Boeing seems to account for the vast preponderance of FATALITIES in commercial flights. Maybe Boeing accounts for virtually all the commercial flights? Maybe Boeing gets almost all the bad pilots and bad maintenance crews? Maybe Boeing planes are used predominantly on the most dangerous airports? Or most dangerous flight paths? Or most dangerous times of day to fly and land? Or? Or?

But I am beginning to think that maybe Boeing is utterly incompetent to make a safe airplane and needs to be shut down for the good of humanity?

I just tried to look for a short, clear summary comparison of "Percent of Boeing accidents vs Percent of Boeing commercial planes".

What I got back was a bunch of hits where the answers seem to have been designed to obfuscate the concerns which keep crossing my mind, and likely the minds of other consumers: Is the pattern of all these massively fatal plane crashes seeming to occur primarily on BOEING planes just a “coincidence”? Or bad reporting? Or my faulty memory? Or what?

Anyway, I am thinking of looking for a different brand of plane on future flights. I suspect that may make it really hard to get to some places I typically fly to the most.


Maybe I am being DUMB agreeing to fly on Boeing planes, instead of coughing up perhaps a bit more money, or spend a bit more time actually flying?


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