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De: I am grateful to you for keeping this thread so active and interesting with all the questions and answers!

http://www.explainingwhy.com/natural-sciences/physics/explain-why-time-slows-down-in-case-of-high-gravity/

Actually being IN a gravity field is enough -- you don't need to be standing on the ground or anything like that.

The amazing and wonderful thing is that the contributions of both speed and gravity have been tested extensively. As mind-blowing as GR is, it bears up to the tests every time.

GR is actually no longer just a "THEORY of Relativity" but is considered a Law. Very few theories in science ever get enough substantiation to be recognized as a Law. What's the difference? Once something is recognized as a Law, it is expected that it will NEVER be disproven/falsified -- although it may well become a subcase of some broader, more encompassing theory.

So, for example, Newton's Law of Gravity is still a law, it is just a subcase of GR, where things are non-relativistic (speed and gravity may be safely ignored WRT scale).

If you are orbiting a planet with a significant gravity field, I expect both the strength of the gravity field (vs. black hole event horizon) and the speed of travel (vs. speed of light) would contribute toward slowing down time. And interesting question is how much would each factor contribute?

Now you have me curious. I am going to see if I can find a way to quantify each factor.

Zim: I also want to thank you for your interest in the topics. Inertia really is just the cumulative effect of all the gravity in the universe. This has been tested extensively, also.

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/390540/what-is-the-relationship-between-gravity-and-inertia

"Inertia and gravity are phenomena identical in nature.” - Albert Einstein

http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s7-01/7-01.htm. "Is the Universe Closed?"

You questioned my logic that if the universe was infinite -- thus filled with infinite mass -- the inertia would also be infinite...and you would not be able to change speed/direction. The only aspect of my own logic, and Einstein's quote, which gives me pause is that the propagation of gravity is, itself, limited by the light-cone. So, I would think that mass in galaxies far enough away has not yet reached the earth ...and in a universe expanding fast enough it maybe never will?

I haven't yet found sufficient substantiation for my logic, so I will leave it open for now. Just so I know what to search for, please clarify what you mean by infinite: are you saying it is "already" infinite or only that it MAY be open (go on expanding infinitely)?

But the assertion that inertia IS gravity stands. That is what Einstein's theories of relativity were all about. And again, these are now "Law"; they may be amended but will not be overturned.


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Re: What is Twistor Theory? | Roger Penrose AND What came before Big Bang? Why he changed his mind.
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Decomposed > Velocity affects time (it slows it.) And a gravity well affects time (by bending space-time.) But merely being IN a gravity well? I think time would move at the same rate for those who are in the well as for those who are outside of it.


I dunno De.
This article has an interesting story about 'Time Dilation' and GPS positioning satellites. The time dilations are very very small . . . but apparently measurable.

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HOW RELATIVISTIC TIME DILATION AND GPS ARE RELATED

http://www.scienceofgadgets.com/post/how-relativistic-time-dilation-and-gps-are-related

Einstein's theory of relativity is one of the most significant achievements in the history of science. All the more so as it has been developed by only one person. Many of the conclusions drawn from this theory are literally striking and seem completely unbelievable at first glance. One of the conclusions of the theory of relativity is that time itself is by no means absolute.
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(Article does continue. Zim.)

But I was thinking that someone had used satellites to actually measure gravitational time dilation.

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Einstein's 'Time Dilation' Gets Pinpoint Measure Thanks to Wayward Satellites

http://www.space.com/42641-einstein-gravitational-time-dilation-galileo-probes.html

The botched launch of two global-positioning satellites four years ago has proven to be a real gift to physicists.

Scientists have used the Galileo 5 and Galileo 6 spacecraft to measure "gravitational time dilation" more precisely than ever before, two new studies reported.

Gravitational time dilation, also known as gravitational redshift, is a key prediction of the theory of general relativity, which Albert Einstein published a century ago. Gravitational fields slow the passage of time; the closer a clock is to a massive object, the more slowly its hands will move, as seen by an outside observer.
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(This article does continue. Along with a mention of 'velocity time dilation.)

Zim.


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