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Re: "Such Ingratitude" and 'Without Me, He Would Have Lost The Election' 

By: Fiz in GRITZ | Recommend this post (1)
Thu, 05 Jun 25 11:19 PM | 24 view(s)
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That was brilliant, micro, and much appreciated. Thank for taking the time to write it.

I know not everyone is 'made' to make a business. But that misses most of the point I am reading in your message: the business makes you at least as much as you make it. It changes you, hopefully for the better, as you change it. And most small businesses, and owners of small businesses, are, or have been, suffering. And the small businesses of the country provide MOST of this country's jobs!

There are a lot of successful people in Trump's team, and a lot of self-made business people. Most of those businesses started small.

I hope one or more of Trump's team has the courage to seek a heart-to-heart with Trump. And advise him honestly. And I hope Trump listens honestly. And then I hope Trump does something really courageous, and smart: I hope he initiates a one-on-one with Musk, so the two might try to set things right...for their own good, as well as the good of MAGA and the country. (Which I think is mostly aligned with the good of humanity).)

If they do that, they will BOTH become better men. And the country and world will, hopefully, be set at least a little close to right.
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By a bit of happenstance, yesterday I got a call from an old girlfriend asking for advice. We hadn't been able to talk about anything serious for years, because of the craziness of politics and the intersection with life, our individual challenges, and our egos.

That's right: she voted left. And in the aftermath of the 2024 election she was getting nervous and called asking for my advice on how to get out of the country because it was becoming a 'Fascist' dictatorship.

I said, "Well, now I guess you have some idea how I have felt the previous four years!" And, yes, I did tell her that there is an actual definition of "Fascist", from Mussolini himself, and that it DOES include “authoritarian” government, but otherwise doesn't mean most of what most people think it means.

Rather than allowing the phone call to become another failed attempt to communicate, only driving us further into our positions, we agreed to just set aside the word “Fascist” and agree that we were living in “an Oligarchy”, and that the oligarchy had just flipped from one group of authoritarian oligarchs to another!

(I think it is more fundamental than that, because calling things an oligarchy ignored the prerequisite need to get elected under a fair (enough) election by informed citizens. And, IMO, that was the miracle of 2024.)

But we put the difference in politic issues aside. And I did my best to be a good friend and give her the best advice I could give her, trying to be as clear and yet neutral in my speech as I could.

I don't know what she is going to end up doing; that has to be her choice. But I told her what countries I liked, personally, the best, and why, and made sure to underscore that she had to know her own preferences and make her own decisions. And she should go and visit countries she thought might be best for herself and her situation. I also suggested she not be rash in making decisions -- although timely is always a good idea!

We had a good conversation -- and unquestionably the best and most honest discussion we'd had in years. And I think we both left that conversation a little better for the effort.


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Re: "Such Ingratitude" and 'Without Me, He Would Have Lost The Election'
By: micro
in GRITZ
Thu, 05 Jun 25 10:06 PM
Msg. 09228 of 09390

I am going to weigh in on this subject that Fiz brought up only because it is imo an excellent subject matter.

Fiz and I are or were (me) business owners that made things and employed people. I had been doing that since 1982. I cannot speak for Fiz but imo iffen ya had the fortitude to put up with employees and customers who both will wake up on the wrong side of bed, and then deal with a BUNCH of government agencies including OSHA, ya can't be all bad in what ya think from your experiences in that world. I believe it gives us better insight into how Government affects business and industry..

I have told the story before of some pencil neck self important yea hole of the EPA out of Dayton who wrote me a threatening letter about all the non compliant materials laying in my parking lot that were environmentally unfriendly and he was gonna fine the **** out of me.

So I called him..I asked if he would like to come and inspect and he was there in about an hour.

After touring the all blacktop parking lot and concrete docks and the well manicured lawns and not even a discarded piece of paper laying anywhere, he got real indignant.. He asked why I had him to come down here.

I wondered just how stupid he was and now I knew.

I had to remind this self important ignoramus it was he who threatened me and I only asked him if he would like to inspect himself.. He came on his own volition.

Sometimes when people get a little too full of themselves they overlook the obvious and say things that simply are inerrant.

Expectations are for HOPE only.. Humans are born with a sense of HOPE. some lose that over time but most, especially as they age tend to regain some hopes that some things will go well for them and their families and for their afterlife here on planet earth..

I doubt highly that Trump could "fix" the country and I doubt Fiz did either. It's beyond "fixing" and anyone but a total fool would know that. And yet, it is one of the few places in the world that people want to come to and live.

Leadership is the ability of someone to LEAD and set the course.. To get others to follow and reach those goals. To be a leader and set the example so that others would see the success and desire to follow , or "support". Leadership LEADS. It does not follow. It sets off in directions that oft times others would not have done. Sometimes those directions turn out not so good. A lot of times they are excellent but there will be some pain to go along with achieving success.

I am kinda in Fiz's point of view. I am getting somewhat tired of the manner in which Trump always is demeaning to anyone he disagrees with.

That is not leadership. That is pettiness 101.

Leaders lead. They don't have to talk or brag about anything. They set the course and are decisive. They don't spend time critiquing oir worrying about what others say.
Ya have to be tone deaf and sometimes deaf. Set your goals and objectives and keep yer eyes focused on what you are doing and " don't sweat the small stuff". A book someone wrote some time ago.

Trump has done a few good things.

He recognized WHO could accomplish a task with the spending and where the money is going. Elon's team did and is doing a great job. Give credit where it is due.
Don't come back and be critical and stab the person that just helped you in the back..

I'm with Fiz on this to a large extent. Trump imo should not keep being an elephant in a china shop.

Just do what ya need to need to and keep yer comments to yerself. That way the world won't know what you're really thinking.

Be Presidential. Be a real LEADER. THEY don't pat themselves on the back.. THAT IS THEIR JOB AND DUTY.

It is why they are getting paid.

Just shut up and do your job. If ya can't do that, resign so all the rest of us don't have to look like abject clowns for electing you..

Decency and manners go a long way to getting someone to talk with you and agree with you..


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