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Re: When will vibe posting transform Atomic Bobs?

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Re: “Yuck!”The concept of "vibe coding," as highlighted in the NPR article, is an oversimplification that risks undermining the complexity and human ingenuity fundamental to programming. While the idea of directing AI to generate code through high-level instructions sounds revolutionary, it’s not poised to transform the software industry as drastically as proponents like Tom Blomfield suggest. Instead, vibe coding represents a useful but limited tool that complements, rather than replaces, human coders.

First, the claim that vibe coding can produce complex systems like a 30,000-line website in just 100 hours glosses over critical nuances. As Adam Resnick from IDC points out, AI-generated code often requires significant human curation. This isn’t a minor step—it’s a cornerstone of software development. AI tools, while powerful, lack the contextual understanding and critical thinking that human developers bring. For instance, AI might generate functional code, but ensuring it’s secure, optimized, and maintainable demands human oversight. Bugs, edge cases, and scalability issues often elude AI’s grasp, requiring experienced coders to intervene. The notion that AI will soon replace coders ignores the persistent need for human judgment in refining and validating code.

Moreover, the vision of "swarms" of AI coders, project managers, and designers overlooks the collaborative and creative essence of software development. Programming isn’t just about churning out lines of code; it’s about solving real-world problems with tailored solutions. Human developers bring domain knowledge, ethical considerations, and user empathy that AI cannot replicate. For example, designing a website like Recipe Ninja involves understanding user behavior and culinary preferences—qualities that require human intuition beyond what vague “vibes” can convey to an AI.

Blomfield’s shift from advocating that startup founders learn to code to predicting coders’ obsolescence is premature. Coding is not just a mechanical task but a discipline that fosters problem-solving and logical thinking. Even if AI handles routine coding tasks, humans will still define the “what” and “why” behind software projects. The ability to articulate requirements, prioritize features, and align solutions with business goals remains a distinctly human skill. AI may assist, but it’s not ready to lead.

The article’s example of a 21-year-old’s startup succeeding with vibe coding is compelling but anecdotal. It doesn’t prove that vibe coding is a universal solution. Many startups fail not because of coding inefficiencies but due to poor market fit or strategy—areas where AI offers little help. Similarly, the commenter’s concern about chatbots flooding online spaces like dating platforms or social media misses the point: AI-generated content lacks authenticity and emotional depth, which users will likely reject over time.

In essence, vibe coding is a flashy trend, not a paradigm shift. It’s a tool that augments human capability, not a replacement for it. The software industry will continue to rely on skilled developers who can harness AI’s strengths while compensating for its limitations. Far from rendering coders obsolete, AI will elevate their role as curators, strategists, and innovators in an increasingly complex digital landscape.
Ugh. My conscience is bothering me already. I guess I have to admit that Grok may have written a TEENSY WEENSY BIT of the above... Rolling Eyes


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When will vibe posting transform Atomic Bobs?
By: Fiz in GRITZ
Mon, 02 Jun 25 10:10 PM 		Msg. 09088 of 09330

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/25/06/01/0251235/will-vibe-coding-transform-programming

http://www.npr.org/2025/05/30/nx-s1-5413387/vibe-coding-ai-software-development

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Will 'Vibe Coding' Transform Programming? (npr.org)110
Posted by EditorDavid on Sunday June 01, 2025 @07:34AM from the watched-over-by-machines-of-loving-grace dept.
A 21-year-old's startup got a $500,000 investment from Y Combinator — after building their web site and prototype mostly with "vibe coding".

NPR explores vibe coding with Tom Blomfield, a Y Combinator group partner:
"It really caught on, this idea that people are no longer checking line by line the code that AI is producing, but just kind of telling it what to do and accepting the responses in a very trusting way," Blomfield said. And so Blomfield, who knows how to code, also tried his hand at vibe coding — both to rejig his blog and to create from scratch a website called Recipe Ninja. It has a library of recipes, and cooks can talk to it, asking the AI-driven site to concoct new recipes for them. "It's probably like 30,000 lines of code. That would have taken me, I don't know, maybe a year to build," he said. "It wasn't overnight, but I probably spent 100 hours on that."

Blomfield said he expects AI coding to radically change the software industry. "Instead of having coding assistance, we're going to have actual AI coders and then an AI project manager, an AI designer and, over time, an AI manager of all of this. And we're going to have swarms of these things," he said. Where people fit into this, he said, "is the question we're all grappling with." In 2021, Blomfield said in a podcast that would-be start-up founders should, first and foremost, learn to code. Today, he's not sure he'd give that advice because he thinks coders and software engineers could eventually be out of a job. "Coders feel like they are tending, kind of, organic gardens by hand," he said. "But we are producing these superhuman agents that are going to be as good as the best coders in the world, like very, very soon."

The article includes an alternate opinion from Adam Resnick, a research manager at tech consultancy IDC. "The vast majority of developers are using AI tools in some way. And what we also see is that a reasonably high percentage of the code output from those tools needs further curation by people, by experienced people."

NPR ends their article by noting that this further curation is "a job that AI can't do, he said. At least not yet."
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I have a friend who now does a lot of his work this way, he just describes the solution state to Chat GPT 4.o (alternately in Spanish, English, or German) and then tries to run what he is given.

I'm sure even an existing Chatbot could replace my posts, and responses. Imagine coming here in 3 years and all the posts and responses are from Chatbots?

Yuck!

And imagine, then, how this is going to impact the on-line dating scene!! Facebook traffic?

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