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To be honest Fiz,
I have not followed Ukraine and the coup and other such 'black operations'.

Ukraine is corrupt. Very corrupt. In such an environment is there such a thing as a 'democratically elected president of Ukraine' ?

Did Putin install his puppet in Ukraine . . and the U.S. sponsored a coup to remove Putin's puppet? I don't know.

I do know that Russia once installed a puppet in Afghanistan - and spent a lot of treasure trying to keep their puppet in place.

I do not believe NATO wants to invade Russia. (Nuclear suicide being just one of many reasons.)

I do believe Russia would like to re-constitute their USSR empire. And that most of the countries that were once part of the USSR do NOT want to be put back under the Russian yoke.

After the Soviet Union imploded Ukraine had a lot of Russian nuclear weapons. Ukraine gave them back in exchange for a promise that Russia would never invade them.

In 2014 Russia invaded Ukraine.

In 2022 Russia tried to seize the rest of Ukraine.

Zim.




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Re: Dozens Of WikiLeaks Cables Show US Knew NATO Expansion Was Russia's Bright Red Line
By: Fiz
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Fri, 20 Jan 23 1:58 AM
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Zim,

I took about 5 seconds to find dozens and dozens of links for you on duckduckgo. My query was "evidence that us led coup to overthrow democratically elected president of Ukraine".

Not exactly hard to find. You didn't bother to look, when I suggested you do that a year ago?

Here is one:

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2015/february/02/obama-admits-us-role-in-ukraine-overthrow/


Here is another:

http://thegoodlylawfulsociety.org/the-coup-that-caused-the-ukraine-conflict/

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On Feb. 22, 2014, this process of impeachment was not followed at all. No investigation committee was formed, and no courts were involved in the removal of the president. Instead, a bill was rushed through Parliament to remove President Yanukovych from his office, although this was not even supported by three-quarters of members of Parliament.
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Russia’s President Vladimir Putin (R) talks with Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych during a signing ceremony at the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia, on Dec. 17, 2013. (Alexander Nemenov/AFP via Getty Images)

On that occasion, Putin quibbled that this was an unconstitutional overthrow of

a democratically elected president. He labelled it a “coup” and questioned the legitimacy of the process at his press conference on March 4, 2014.

“[Impeachment] has to involve the Constitutional Court, the Supreme Court, and the Rada (the unicameral parliament of Ukraine). This is a complicated and lengthy procedure. It was not carried out. Therefore, from a legal perspective this is an undisputed fact,” Putin said.

When that “coup” of the Ukrainian Parliament succeeded in expelling the country’s elected president, then American President, Barrack Obama, misled the international community by hiding the imposition of a pro-Western government on “Russia’s most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.”

Soon after a new government was established, it declared itself unable to control the popular reaction to that coup in the country’s east. The American government then conveniently accused Russia of destabilising Ukraine, thus aiming to turn Russia into a “pariah state.”

Ukraine has never been able to have a functional government since.

Russia almost immediately retaliated by annexing the region of Crimea, in March 2014, but only after a popular referendum that was not recognized by the United States and its Western allies.

I haven't taken the time to really read the details in the various links, because I followed the story in real time while it was happening, years ago: BEFORE RUSSIA FELT COMPELLED TO TAKE CRIMEA. I saw various politicians and US diplomatic personnel brag, on camera, what the US had done. I don't expect any of those videos will be easy to find anymore, here in "land of the free" because the are embarrassing and disrupt the lie your government, and its lackeys, wanted you to swallow.

You really perplex me, Zim. I thought for a long time you were just trolling and only PRETENDING to be commletely out to lunch on what the US is really all about. I don't think that anymore. But I admit, I can't quite figure out how how you can be as updated as you are on some issues...while being The Deeps State's great apologist and enabler on so many other issues, this late in the game.


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